name Tom Ippolito, Bob Finnan, Thomas
R. Ippolito, or Robert W. Finnan the world of Tom Swift and Stratemeyer boys
This monograph, private and nonpublished, applies the methods of
critical literary investigation to a very minor topic in literary
scholarship. It makes no charges, alleges no illegalities. The presented evidence is suggestive but not probative. But if the
chain of reasoning presented herein is valid, it contributes to the
field of the study of contemporary juvenile literature and those who
read and discuss it.
For some years after 2000, internet discussion of the several
Swift " series was dominated by two discussion groups on
Yahoo!, one (now defunct)
credited to Thomas R. Ippolito, also credited as author/publisher of a
related fanzine called "Blueprint," as moderator; the other to
Finnan, a well-known collector of juvenile series books and owner of
many specialized websites addressing Stratemeyer Syndicate titles and
collectibles. A volatile rivalry was thought to obtain between them.
I have reached the conclusion that Thomas R. Ippolito and Robert W.
Finnan are one and the same person. This person’s real, legal name is
not known. Herein I term him
The evidence, not indefeasible, is of four types. (1)
Striking parallels in language, attitude, concern, and manner of
participation in discussion groups, and as a lay "editor" on Wikipedia,
(2) apparent knowledge by "Finnan" of specific matters in "Ippolito’s"
private e-mail correspondence, (3) biographical elements applying to
"Ippolito" emerging as elements of the "Finnan" biography,
and (4) a striking matter of timing in the fraudulent use of an internet
Emphasis, in red, is added. My
interjected notes and
comments are in blue. Italicization
or bolding is my own unless otherwise stated. Paraphrased
material, generally from documents or correspondence I am not at liberty
to reproduce in full or to identify, is in fuschia with italicization
PREFACE TO THE
I. INTRODUCTORY: BASIC BELIEFS, ATTITUDES, AND
Some of the parallels between "Ippolito" and "Finnan" rest, to a
degree, upon apparent commonalities of attitude, style of expression,
word choice, politics, social views,
and other such matters. As will be clear, postings by "Ippolito" are
comparatively rare and brief. They do illustrate, among other things, an
interest in pop music also asserted by "Finnan" (in his
Wikipedia biographical entry under "FWDixon").
I-A: Openly attributed to character "Finnan":
4 I-A1: Regarding "Political Correctness". In the repressive, politically-correct
atmosphere which smothers America today, I doubt a decent movie could be
made about either Tom Sr or Jr.What producer would dare depict the
Steppinfetchit-like character, Eradicate? Every black activist in the
country would protest the film.Likewise, the
feminists would be howling
at the patriarchal role structuring, even in the Jr. series. Let's face
it, in both series women were relegated to subservient, stereotypical
roles, rarely a part of the action. If a movie (or even a new series)
would come out now, the chances are that Tom would be a minority member!
At the very least, his sidekicks would have to include a woman
(preferably Asian, to kill 2 birds with 1 stone), an African-American -
hell maybe even an Eskimo. No white bread sidekicks like Bud or Ned need
apply! I'll stick to the old stories! [[ Ipp group? ]] ...Then there's the
political correctness inserted into the stories. I started reading
Scott's "Flying Lab" and on the 1st page there was a
minority character inserted for apparently no other reason than
Frankly, the original "Lab" was a great story and hardly needed to be
updated - if it ain't broke, don't fix it is my motto! I won't be
reading any more of Scott's "revised" stories, simply because I don't
have the time and I don't want to be subjected to his politically
correct revisionism. [[ "RWF" on his Tom Swift discussion
group, http://tomswift.bobfinnan.com, 9 August
2006 ]] ...I browsed thru a couple more of Scott's stories and frankly,
PC or not, they just are not as well written as the better TS JR
stories. Frankly I think the minority characters are inserted into them
simply to pander to those of a PC bent.
[[ by "Bob Finnan" on
his Tom Swift discussion group, 9 August 2006 ]] ...is
marred somewhat...by the overly ''correct''
makeup of Tom's team....[[ by "FWDixon",
edit to Wikipedia Tom Swift article, 20 August 2005 ]] //NOTE: The
language in the preceding quote was repeatedly inserted into Wikipedia after repeated removals. The
sequence is viewable in the edit-history archive.//
4 1-A2: "Militianist" (militia-like) attitudes and issues. ...Please
feel free to post anything the First Amendment allows in this newsgroup.
Do not be detered by any self-appointed Nazi with a god complex.
Exercise your rights as an American! Posting FS's etc. will
right wing Facists that you will not be bullied
threats. [[ by Hardyboy01 on Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books,
31 October 1998 ]]
...In the early days of Tom Swift, gun ownership was common in America.
Unlike today, the gun laws of that era were sensible (there were none!).
citizens could pack a gun and be
able to defend themselves. How I long for those
days! [[ by "RWF" in his Tom Swift discussion group, circa 2
November 2006 ]] //The preceding followed his description
of the Bud Barclay character, in Atomic Earth Blaster, as a fascist.
"He should try to join the NYPD where he would no doubt find plenty of
handcuffed suspects to beat and torture with the rest of his fellow
Nazis." In response Fred Kiesche posted: "I think you owe
several good friends of mine an apology." Response by "Finnan"://
...Sure, just as soon as the rank and file of the NYPD apologize to the
public for sticking broomsticks up suspects asses, torturing them,
beating them, shooting them, becoming hit men, taking bribes, looking
the other way when another cop commits a crime, violating just about
everybody's civil rights every day and in general acting like the
trigger-happy, corrupt Nazi scum
that they are. In other words, no, not now, not ever. [[ by "Bob
Finnan" ]] ...The more I read this story, the more disgusted I become
with Tom and Bud's high-handed, brutal tactics. They both would have
felt right at home with the Gestapo.
Don't even get me started on that fascist
security chief of theirs. I picture him as looking like the
father on "American Dad". [[ by "Bob Finnan" <fwdixon@...>, 7 November
2006 ]] ...Oh yeah, well WE also have Plum Island with samples of every
known disease just offshore and waiting for
some terrorist to blow it up!
Fucking government! [[ by "RWF"
...your male bashing, anti-American
attitude make it clear that you are a total and complete moron. ...[[ by "Bob
Finnan" on rec.collecting.books, 31 October 1998 ]]
// NOTE: the following is a statement about
"Finnan"; extract stated below in full. "Bob Finnan's lack
of integrity is on public display... See the webboard he maintains on Tim McCarver at
http://members2.boardhost.com/ihatetim/. I note that the poster's
link to a Ku Klux Klan website
has finally been removed..." //
4 1-A3: Sexual derogations; homophobia. ...IMHO you possess a
perverted, obsessive-compulsive, diseased mind....
[[ "Bob Finnan
(Hardyboy)" on Newsgroups: alt.books.nancy-drew,
31 March 2000 ]]
"When like me, you've been accused by Bob Finnon... of
boys bicycle seats... then perhaps then you'll have something to
of." [[ Posted by "Michael Adams" in reference to character "Finnan" on
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books, 23 September 2006.
earlier reference not viewed personally by SD. ]] ...I didn't wish to
descend to your sick, disgusting level but it's clear that ad
hominem attacks are all your feeble brain can understand and launch.
Now, go muff-diving in your pervert lovers twat, you
sick degenerate. [[ by "Bob
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.childrens, 29 August 2000 ]]
...open your faggot mouth to me and let me kick your half
a faggot ass. You're a loud mouthed
pussy - let's see ya back it up-
asshole! [[ by "Bob Finnan" on
10 October 1998 ]] My,
what a clever response! Very original! I suppose you love to be the town
gossip. Most old ladies do. [[ by "Bob Finnan" on rec.collecting.books,
31 October 1998 ]] ...I find YOU exceedingly offensive!
Grow up, you prissy little pantywaist!
[[ by "Bob Finnan" on ????? ,
19 June 2004 ]] ...I don't need your permission,
crybaby. [[ by "RWF" (hardyboy...) on alt.books.nancy-drew,
28 November 1999, in response to "Steve Servello" ]] ...The owner of an
alternate HB site (22.214.171.124) has been posting insulting messages to
this board, in addition to his advocacy of gay rights and his
intolerance of people who refuse to see things his way. Just so he knows
- his perverted lifestyle
is of no interest to anyone here and any further such posts will be
reported to his ISP as the pure harassment
that they are. [[ by "RWF" on his "Hardy Boys Blog",
23 November 2006,
post titled Message Removal ]] ...Governor Corzine then put
his arm around his sheep and announced they would wed "as soon as the
bigots in the legislature stop their hatred of
bestiality." [[ by "The Bobino" (rwfemail...) on
rec.collecting.books, 21 December 2006, in response to "N.J. governor
signs gay civil unions law" topic. ]]
... Poor old balmy palmy - life's never been the same since you got
rogered by the milkman, eh palmjob? [[ by
"RF" <fwdi...@hotmail.com> on Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books,
9 March 2007, responding to "Will Palmer." ]] ...Avoid
this mailing list unless you wish to recieve disgusting,
perverted SPAM from NAMBLA, a group
witch advocates adult males having sex with children. SICK SICK SICK~~
Bob Finnan ~~ [[ From: hardybo...@aol.comnospam (HARDYBOY01) Date:
2000/05/08; Subject: Re: Horatio Alger, Jr ]] ...Go back to jerking off
over your homoerotic S&M stories.
[[on rec.collecting books, 1 June 2005 ]]...Shut the fuck up and
go back to your NAMBLA meeting you
pervert... [[ on
rec.collecting.books, 6 October 2005 ]]
I-A4: Race, religion,
disability, and gender derogations:
...The Adams-Yamamoto reparte is what conversations at
the Algonquin Rountable would've been like if Dorothy Parker and
Alexander Woollcott had had Down's Syndrome.
[[ by "Bookman" (Fwdi...)
on rec.collecting.books, 22 March 2004 ]] ...Yammy, you'd
be mystified by a two piece jigsaw puzzle. What's your problem anyway -
penis envy? [[ by "Bob Finnan" on
rec.collecting.books.moderated, 14 December 2004, in response
to a post by "John Yamamoto-Wilson" ]]
couldn't have said it better, mitzvah boy!
[[ by "The Bobino" (rwfemail...) on rec.collecting.books, 21
December 2006, in response to
I should see a shrink about my compulsions? :)" by
"Sam". ]]... it's
clear that you are a
stupid cunt who is incapable of
engaging in a rational discussion. therefore I'll address you in the
only way your pea-size brain seems to be able to comprehend. ... [[ by
"Bob Finnan" on rec.collecting.books, 31 October 1998
... sounds more like this Brooke Allen creature is
shilling ...He/she makes a few valid points...
[[ by "Fwdi" on
rec.collecting.books, 7 July 2001 ]] ...Every black activist in the
country would protest the film... the
feminists would be howling
...If a movie (or even a new series) would come out now, the chances are
that Tom would be a minority member!
At the very least, his sidekicks would have to include a
woman (preferably Asian, to kill 2
birds with 1 stone), an African-American
- hell maybe even an Eskimo ...[[ Ipp
group? ]] ...there was a
minority character inserted for apparently no other reason than...
[[ RWF on http://tomswift.bobfinnan.com, 9 August
2006 ]] ...I think the minority characters are inserted into them
simply to pander... [[ by "Bob
Finnan" on tomswift.bobfinnan.com, 9 August 2006 ]]
I-A5: Other abusive
language and terminology. ...Another rant of pure fantasy by the
pariah of the
Usenet...[[ by "BobFinnan.com" on Groups: rec.arts.books.children
, 30 September 2006 ]] // The preceding was in
response to a posting that included: "Where are the religious
moderates... I'm hearing only a few cries in the wilderness, and zealots
from all sides. I'm definitely not anti-Christian... Now we hear that
there's 100,000,000 evangelicals in the US alone? That's 1/3 of the
population believing in "end times"?..." ADDITIONAL
COMMENT: For future reference, the remark by character "Finnan" appears
to express support for a conservative Christian-evangelical position.
...You are a
great one for making rules for others to follow that you seem
to feel free to ignore. [[ by "Bob"
(Fwdi...) on rec.collecting.books, 22 March 2005, in response to
"John Yamamoto-Wilson" ]] ... I put Spamamoto on my kill file so I won't be
reading any more of his hypocritical ravings.
[[ by "Bob" (Fwdi...) on rec.collecting.books, 22 March 2005. The
reference is to "John Yamamoto-Wilson". ]] ...Hey
fucktard, try reading the FAQ before
posting your spam here. [[ by "Bob Finnan" on
????? , 19 June 2004 ]] ...You really are a
cretin, stinky! How's that
offensive B.O. problem going for you?
bathing may be helpful. [[ by ?? on ??, ??
in response to "Seattle_Bookseller" ]] ... sounds more like
this Brooke Allen creature is
shilling ...He/she makes a few valid points but the
shaky assumptions, specious reasoning and general
disingenuousness of the article make the motives of the
author extremely suspect. [[ by "Fwdi" on
rec.collecting.books, 7 July 2001 ]] ...Here's
a link for you Sammy-boy: http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
...You admit you're full of shit and
don't know what the fuck you're
well, admitting you have a problem
is the first step to recovery. [[ by "The Bobino" (rwfemail...) on
rec.collecting.books, 21 December 2006, in response to "Sam". ]]
announcement: Discussion subject changed to "micheal adams child
molester" by RWF [[ on rec.collecting.books, 28 December 2006
...You're a misanthropic loner who
NEEDS to try to inflate his lamentably tiny ego
with pompous posts and near psychotic attacks
on all those who don't agree with you. [[ by "RWF" (rwfemail...) on
rec.collecting.books, 29 December 2006, in response to "Michael Adams"
shut up, you big windbag! You're as
useless as a hemorrhoid. [[ by "RF"
<fwdi...@hotmail.com>, 9 March 2007; responding to "...Walter J.
Black did run a club-type operation, with several series. At one time,
they published the complete works of ESG in a nice uniform..."
]] ...Long time readers ...may
recall that M- pulled this same stuff... It seems to fit a pattern of
total over-reaction, feelings of inferiority,
feelings of persecution, distortion of truth and outright lying
by M-. Leafing through my old Psych 101 book shows this collection of
symptoms is surprisingly not unlike the textbook description of
paranoia. [[ by "Hardybo...@aol.com
????? ]] ...You ignorant ass, A male
witch is a WARLOCK! try alt.m-.is.a dipshit You
are a craven coward! [[ by "Hardyboy" on ?????????????, 12
December 1997 ]] ...Christ almighty - what a hack! ... lay off the
Scotch! You can't spell, you can't write worth a shit. Go see a shrink,
you're losing whatever miniscule talent you had. The only thing in the
wind is that shriveled little useless pecker of yours! [[ by
Hardyboy@aol.com on alt.fan.doc-savage, 12 May 1998 ]] ... Hey
brainiac, stamps are PRINTED - [[ by "BobFinnan.com" on
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books, 9 August 2006 ]] ...the
big windbag blusters thusly-- (...)
...Oh my, the endomorph is flexing
his internet muscles again. How frightening! I'm not hard to find
either, you big sissy but I doubt
you'd have the balls to open your piehole to me in person. P- you're a
pathetic juvenile jerk. Nobody here
wants you around. [[ on rec.collecting.books, 1 June 2005
]]...Don't you ever tire of being a braying,
elitist, empty-headed jackass? [[ on rec.collecting.books,
6 October 2005 ]]
I-B: Openly attributed to character "Ippolito":
Regarding "Political Correctness".
...I hope things never some to this. ...In my view, this would an example of
"bad" political correctness....[[ by
"Thomas R. Ippolito" on his Tom Swift Discussion Group, post 929,
circa 2004-5 ]]
see no need for a TS series to
confront any social topics ... sex, drugs, racism, teenage
pregnancy, abortion, AIDS, etc. [[ by Thomas R. Ippolito, "tippolit",
on his Tom Swift Discussion Group ]]
...Frankly, it would seem a bit incongruous to retain an anachronistic
character like Chow Winkler in a new TS series while writing out more
conventional ones in favor a more culturally
diverse and/or politically correct cast (Benjamin Franklin
Walking Eagle in the Wanderer Books series and Police Chief Robin
Montague in the Archway Paperbacks series immediately come to
mind). [[ by Thomas R. Ippolito on his Tom Swift Discussion Group,
28 November 2004 ]]
I-B2: Attitudes toward
no place in the TS series
for an emphasis on, or even mention of, sexual
orientation. ... [[ by
"Thomas R. Ippolito" on his Tom Swift Discussion Group, post 929
circa 2004-5, responding to my question on the meaning of "political
correctness" and my statement "I don't suppose we're quite to the
point of introducing gay/lesbian characters in the world of Tom Swift."
]] // Subsequent comment by "Ippolito" on this
subject: // ...Again, I fail to see how sexual orientation is a
pertinent unless... the story involves sex and/or sexual
attraction. [[ by Thomas R. Ippolito, "tippolit" ]]
// At about this time, I received an e-mail
from Ippolito regarding this discussion on his group, and noting "I
find this topic distasteful." //
regarding Christianity. ...I rarely post anything
and have only once before felt compelled to post a reply, but this is
one of those exceptions. John Lennon was an extremely talented and
remarkable individual, but his suggestion that the Beatles were more
popular than Jesus was simply absurd and so is Tom Conlon's contention
that it was merely a "statement of fact". John was wrong in what he said
and wrong to say it. Christ's disciples were anything but thick and
ordinary. His gloom and doom prediction about
Christianity was ill-advised, completely unnecessary and unconstructive.
More importantly, it was offensive to millions.
...to defend the statement, IMO, is either bling idolization or equally
bad judgement. (No offensive Tom). [[ by "Thomas Ippolito" on
rec.music.beatles, 25 August 1996 ]]
was sitting in the park... and Psalm 59
came to mind. Perhaps just a prayer
that I do the right thing and remain silent in the face of this.'
[[ Paraphrased from private correspondence by Thomas R. Ippolito,
2004, made available to me for my review ]]
// NOTE: These may be
construed as a parallel to the remark by "Finnan" cited above, re:
conservative Christianity. //
4 I-B4: Abusive language and terminology. ...how does
it feel to be an asshole? [[ by
"Thomas Ippolito" on rec.music.beatles, 21 September 1996, responding to
" does anyone know if Paul McCartney has an E-mail adress? If so,
what is it? If you know George's or Ringo's, please
post those too. ", posted by "Jeff Kelety" ]] ...I don't want
to be unkind to the individual who asked what has the world missed as a
result of John Lennon's death/assassination, but my response is simple
.... more than will be missed when you pass on.
[[ by "Thomas Ippolito" on rec.music.beatles, 15 August 1996, responding
to "...I remember seeing my uncle in tears with the paper in front of
him (headline: I Shot Lennon). Sorry to get all maudlin here, but my
God, what has the world missed by losing him?..." posted by
"Mebberson Geological Services" ]] // I take this to
illustrate both attitude and a weakness with regard to careless,
misinterpretation of another's intent.
this shit off the newsgriup
you friggin asshole. [[ by "Tom
Ippolito" <rave...@ix.netcom.com> on alt.binaries.sounds.midi,
alt.3d.misc, 12 October 1996 ]] ... Plagiarize? (btw you spelled it
wrong Einstein)... [[ by "Tom
Ippolito" <rave... @ix.netcom.com> on
rec.collecting.books, 12 July 1997, responding to "Hardyboy01"
4 I-B5: Particular sensitivity to issues of content relevance in
newsgroups. ...ENOUGH WITH OASIS
ALREADY. TAKE YOUR POSTS TO AN OASIS NEWSGROUP WOULD
PLEASE???? [and in the succeeding post:]
I think I've had to wade through more than a hundred posts
discussing/commenting on Oasis in the past month or two. Enough already!
Why dignify the comparisons by
constantly discussing it? [[ by "Thomas Ippolito" on
rec.music.beatles, 14 September 1996 ]] ...I notice there are only about
6-7 of John's songs covered by midis on the web but about 50 of Paul's.
Kind of disappointed and surprised by
[[ by "Thomas Ippolito" on rec.music.beatles, 3 October 1996
the damn Bob Dole and politics
posts!!! Post these to a
related newsgroup and give us a
break!!! [[ by "Thomas Ippolito" on alt.binaries.sounds.midi, 14
I-B6: Pop music collecting and interest. ...Many of Klaatu's
songs are remarkably like the Beatles in style and sound.
They were an excellent band. Their material is no longer being issued
(although I've heard that a reissue of their entire catalogue is being
considered). Some of their albums/CD's are still available on the
shelves of many record stores across the country. I found Endangered
Species, Sir Army Suit and Magentalane to be outstanding. I highly
recommend Klaatu to all Beatles fans. [[ by "Thomas R. Ippolito" on
rec.music.beatles, 27 September 1996 ]] ...Anyone
have and midis of Dean Martin tunes?
[[ by "Thomas R. Ippolito" on alt.music.midi, 3 October
also his participation in the Beatles group cited in the posts
II. PRELIMINARY CROSS-IDENTIFICATIONS: FINNAN
PSEUDONYMS ON WIKIPEDIA
Prior to commencing the main discussion, it is necessary to establish the
credibility of a supportive thesis: that The Subject has edited various
Wikipedia articles in 2005-7 under numerous pseudonyms, all of whom are
in fact the person known publicly as "Bob Finnan". Cited pseudonyms are MookiesDad,
Pak434, DocSimpson, Noumenes, SuperDuperMan, and FWDixon. (A further
suggested pseudonym, Jesup, is less robustly evidenced.)
These are not "innocent" pseudonyms, as is permitted on Wikipedia,
but rather appear to be deliberate efforts to deceive. The overall
strategy is to define distinct "characters," exaggerate certain personal
traits and, as necessary, to exhibit the facade of mutual disagreement, and thus to
give credibility to later denials of identity.
In some cases the contribution is unsigned, but the continuity of
theme and language lends support to the thesis of this section.
Most, but not all, statements extracted refer to me; ie,
Doxmyth/Dickerson. The other statements, and those from off-Wikipedia,
are included to establish parallel use of terminology, and
II-A. Charge of "vandalism"
Regarding use of the term "vandalism" in Wikipedia discussion, the referenced application
of the term by The Subject is not standard Wikipedia usage; The Subject persisted
in this characteristic and idiosyncratic use after correction by others. I have included the similar misapplication of
the term in responding to another editor of the same articles, "Antaeus Feldspar", to
further illustrate the parallel usage by the various pseudonyms. [See
Appendix IV at the end of this monograph for Wikipedia definitions.]
II-A1: Character "MookiesDad" : I HATE ALL
VANDALS! (changed to DEATH TO ALL VANDALS!, 9 September 2006)
[[ userpage, User: MookiesDad; first posted – by
MookiesDad ]] ...leave the article to those who have researched the topic
and don't just want to make vandalizing
wholesale cosmetic changes to it... Talk: Tom Swift [[ 19:20, 7
September 2006 ]] ...As far as I'm concerned, the sweeping
deletions that you make to this page without any consensus ARE
vandalism. [?] ...I have the "right" to
revert your vandalism and will do so every
time you butcher up the article. Talk: Tom Swift [[ 19:18, 7
September 2006 ]] ... I removed your
vandalistic "predecessors" paragraph AGAIN because if is
completely irrelevant. ... Talk: Tom Swift [[ 11:12, 8 September
2006 ]] ... I do NOT believe these are good faith efforts. I DO
believe this is a subtle form of vandalism.
Talk: Tom Swift [[ 12:41, 9 September 2006 ]] ...when you
vandalized the list of TS Sr. books by
deleting Tom Swift & His Motorcycle in your insane spree... [[ 19:00, 9
September 2006 ]] ...IMHO this bad faith editing is a subtle form
of vandalism and I ask Mr. Dickerson to
cease and desist. Talk: Tom Swift [[ 00:21, 10 September 2006
]] ...(SD talk:) ...Hey genius - why don't you be more careful when
you "edit" (read vandalize)? User Talk:
Doxmyth [[ 02:03, 9 September 2006 ]] ...As far as I can see,
you've vandalized the list of TS Sr.
titles, presented uncited speculation as fact and promoted your own
off-topic web site.... [[ 19:31, 9 September 2006 ]] ...(where?
// Note: see also I-A5 for a parallel form, "Hey
genius/Hey brainiac". //
II-A2: Character: "SuperDuperMan" from
History, Talk: Tom Swift ...23:58, 21 October 2006 SuperDuperMan
(Talk | contribs) m (rm unrelated "see also" section which has been
repeatedly (to the point of vandalism) been
inserted by the arrogant Feldspar.) ...12:28, 24 October 2006
SuperDuperMan (Talk | contribs) ... I view its insertion into that
article as vandalism. ...14:48, 24 October
2006 SuperDuperMan (Talk | contribs) (rv vandalism
by Antaeus Feldspar yet again) 19:55, 25 October 2006 SuperDuperMan
(Talk | contribs) (→Antaeus Feldspar - Feldspar proves himself to be a
hypocritical bully and vandal, yet
again!)... 11:37, 26 October 2006 SuperDuperMan (Talk | contribs) (rv
vandalism by Antaeus Feldspar)...
4 II-A3: Character: "Pak434" ...As you can see, the
vandal is now engaging in retaliatory
allegations that have absolutely no basis in fact... [[ 28 October 2006
II-B. Attributions: arrogance, conceit, etc.
II-B1: Character: Mookies Dad
...Why do I consider your "site"
off-topic - because it doesn't supply any information on any of the
various series, it's just your monumental ego trip...
[[ 19:31, 9 September 2006 ]] ... from Talk:Tom Swift: ...
You seem pretty eager for other people to do your
work for you... [[ 18:31, 5 September 2006 ]] ...
This isn't your private site where you
would be free to do as you please. [?] ...if all you want to do is
massage the article so that it looks the way YOU
want it... [[ 22:35, 6 September 2006 ]] You keep going on
about "flow", which I think is double-talk for "I want it to look
my way and screw everyone else!". ...[[
19:18, 7 September 2006 ]] ...And for heaven's sake, stop
presenting speculation and supposition as fact as in the "predecessors"
section you keep trying to foist on the
article! [[ 19:48, 7 September 2006 ]] ... you come across as
extremely arrogant and condescending. You
think you, and only you, know what's best.
Get off your high horse!
// NOTE: see use of "high horse" by "SuperDuperMan"
below // [[ 21:49, 7 September 2006
]] ... Why is it that you think you're the
only one whose opinion should matter? [[ 21:07, 8 September 2006
]] ...Your last post just proves my point on how
arrogant and conceited you are. [?] Doxmyth
...has contributed NOTHING other than to change
the appearance of the article... to his liking... [[ 12:41, 9
September 2006 ]] ...spree of
self-righteousness. ... the text you mention that you added was
entirely self-serving... [[ 01:45, 13
September 2006 ]]
II-B2: from character SuperDuperMan ... your
attempts to force your version upon the
Wiki community. [[ 20:35, 18 October 2006 ]] ...He
rejects any opinion against his edits as
personal abuse, going so far as to harass users on the Wiki "pain" page,
rather than to accept the valid criticism that his edits engender. He
seems to feel he is the only one to be allowed
to follow the Wiki mandate of "be bold" [[ 02:05, 19 October 2006
Swift is clearly NOT Edisonade nor related in anyway to Reade -
Get off your high horse and get your facts
straight Feldspar. You positively reek of
arrogance... [[ edit summary (21 Oct 2006 in TS
ARTICLE-history) ]] // NOTE: see
"high horse" parallel usage by MookiesDad above. //
II-B3: By character FWDixon: Doxmyth appears to be
incorrigible. ...[[ 12:15, 19 October 2006
]] ...Where do you get the audacity to
question me as to what I do with my group? You aren't a member and it's
absolutely none of your affair. What a monumental
ego you have. [[ Lindholm Group, September 27, 2006, 11:49:22
II-B4: By character Pak434: I understand your
difficulty in holding a neutral point of view...
refrain from stubbornly reinserting it
...you are instigating an edit war by doing
so. [[ 01:22, 20 October 2006 ]]
II-C: Accusations of self-promotion, link-spamming
II-C1: By character MookiesDad: You repeatedly
link spam the Tom Swift pages with off-topic links to your fan
fiction site. [[ 12:46, 25 September 2006 ]] ... he
continues to promote his Tom Swift fan
fiction site in the External Links section... [[ 00:21, 10 September 2006
]] ... He continually links to his
site that has absolutely no information... Doxmyth's continual
reversions and link spamming. [[ 01:59, 10
September 2006 ]] ... Wikipedia is not a place for you to
promote your non-informational web site...
...the text you mention that you added was
entirely self-serving and a clear attempt
to validate a link to your site... create a Wiki "fan fiction"
page and link to your site from that, if you must
promote your site. [[ 01:45, 13 September 2006
link spam here is just as inappropriate as
it is on the main [[ Tom Swift ]] page. Don't you EVER give up? [[
23:53, 23 September 2006 ]]
II-C2: By Unsigned User: You continue to add
self-promoting text in an attempt to
justify adding a link to your TS site.
...your continued attempts to promote it on
WIKI... [[ User:126.96.36.199; 22:51, 15 October 2006 ]]
II-C3: By character SuperDuperMan: ... The text
[[ Doxmyth ]]
inserts into the article is a patently obvious
blind used to justify linking to his fan fiction site. ...the
link doesn't belong here. [[ 02:00, 16 October 2006 ...your
repeated attempts to promote your off-topic
fan fiction site. Even if a link to your site
was helpful ... it STILL wouldn't belong here ... your repeated attempts
are inappropriate and self-promoting...
[[ 20:35, 18 October 2006 ]] ... Scott Dickerson (aka Doxmyth)
continues to indulge in shameless
of his fan fiction... I suggest that he cease and desist from his
non-neutral promotion of his site, or at
least promote it in the proper forum (e.g.
the Wiki [[ fan fiction ]] page). [[ 02:05, 19 October 2006
]] ...Whenever he doesn't get his way on this he resorts to
whimpering, self-pitying protestations of
unfairness, censorship and foul play and seeks to
elicit sympathy from others. <<by who??>>
II-C4: By character Pak434: ...Mention of fan fiction is more
appropriate for the Wiki fan fiction article. I agree with the other
editors that it appears to be an excuse to promote
your fan fiction web site... [[ 19:31, 18 October 2006
Doxmyth's repeated attempts to add a link
to his web site and the lead-in text about fandom and fan
fiction...should stop... [[ 16:37, 19 October 2006 ]] ... garner
support for his cause, namely promoting his fan
fiction web site... [[ 12:18, 30 September 2006
recently compared MookiesDad to Hitler and threatened him because he
wasn't allowed to promote his fan fiction...
on MookiesDad's Tom Swift Yahoo fan group. ... The fact that Doxmyth
"resorts to whimpering, self-pitying protestations of unfairness,
censorship and foul play and seeks to elicit sympathy from others"
whenever he isn't allowed to promote his fan
fiction site in various forums... and under another identity,
nbfanc, that he uses to promote his fan
fiction... [[ September 2006 ]]
II-C5: By character "FWDixon": ...Count me among the editors who
will keep a close eye on Mr. Dickerson's
self-promoting edits. [[ 12:15, 19 October 2006
II-C6: By character "Noumenes":
... 22:24, 13 October 2006
Noumenes (Talk | contribs) (remove extraneous information and
link to editor's fan
fiction web site) ... 22:27, 13 October 2006 Noumenes (Talk |
contribs) (remove extraneous information designed to
promote the editor's fan fiction web site)
... Doxmyth's shameless promotion of his fan
fiction site even extends to article talk pages... [[ 01:39,
22 October 2006 ]] // inserted note: see
parallel usage of term "shameless... promotion" by SuperDuperMan,
above, 3 days prior. //
II-D: References to Doxmyth’s mental state
4 II-D1: By character MookiesDad: ... Cease and desist from
posting your bizarre interpretation of Wiki
guidelines... [[ 12:46, 25 September 2006 ]] ... your
insane spree of self-righteousness...
[[ 19:00, 9 September 2006 ]] ... Doxmyth is very
confused. ...All-in-all, a
very disturbed individual. [[ 26
September 2006 ]]
II-D2: By unsigned contributor: ... your continued attempts...
despite numerous attempts to reason with you
is extremely puzzling. [[ User:188.8.131.52; 22:51, 15 October 2006
II-D3: By character Pak434: ...he is an
emotionally immature person with
narcissistic tendencies and an overwhelming
need to be the centre of attention. [[ 30 September 2006
//NOTE: "Pak434" appears to be asserting knowledge
of Doxmyth/Dickerson's actions outside Wikipedia.//
II-D4: By character DocSimpson: ... Another thing is that
Doxmyth uses so many aliases that he sometimes
forgets who he is... I have to concur with MookiesDad and Pak434.
This dude is a very disturbed individual.
DocSimpson [time?] //NOTE: as above preceding//
II-D5: By character SuperDuperMan: ... Here's a site with some
"detailed information" you really need: www.nmha.org
[[ 21 October 2006 ]]
// NOTE: this website
is described as— "Mental Health America
(formerly known as the National Mental Health Association) is the
country’s leading nonprofit dedicated to helping ALL people live
mentally healthier lives." See parallel insults
in the form of references to websites, below. //
Recurrent themes: "crybaby", statements of antipathy
II-E1: By character MookiesDad: ... Are you going to
tell your mommy too? What a
petulant little whining crybaby you are!
...I'm really beginning to dislike you intensely!
[[ 21:07, 8 September 2006 ]] ... I'm retired and have nothing but
time on my hands and I dislike whining crybabies.
[[ 19:31, 9 September 2006 ]] ... Plus I don't
like you! [[ 19:00, 9 September 2006 ]] ... Please stop
spamming my talk page with your whining and
illogic. [[ 19:08, 11 September 2006 ]]
??: ...Whenever he doesn't get his way on this he resorts to
whimpering, self-pitying protestations of
unfairness, censorship and foul play and seeks to elicit sympathy from
II-E3: By character Pak434: ... Doxmyth
crying about incivility when his victim gets fed up with his
harassment and cyber stalking and becomes angry is
pathetic. ...[[ 28 September 2006 ]]
NOTE: The reference to "harassment and cyber
stalking" is obscure, but again suggests a claim to knowledge of off-Wikipedia
activities by Doxmyth. // ...Doxmyth
whines about personal attacks and urges
others to comment only on article content...
Pathetic. Doxmyth’s game is simple. He
markets any perceived mistreatment, read as any time he doesn’t
get his way, to anyone and everyone he can, trying to
play on the sympathies of others...
[[ September 2006 ]] // NOTE: as in preceding
note. // ... Oh pleeze. When all else fails,
suck up to an admin. Right?
You have no shame Doxmyth. [[ 10:52,
6 October 2006 ]]
II-E4: By character SuperDuperMan:
Boohoohoo, nobody thinks my link is valid. I'll show 'em - I'll
remove ALL the links! I'm doing this in good faith! I'm being bold! I'm
a good Wikipedian! - There you have Doxmyth in a nutshell. [[ 02:18, 20
October 2006 ]]
4 II-E5: By characters characters openly identified as Robert
Finnan: Dickerson, I'm not buying into your
game... You know, the one where you whine
and cry about what a poor "victim" you are and how nobody plays
by the rules etc and so forth. [[ "FWDixon" on Lindholm Group, 28
September 2006 ]] Wah wah wah. poor
widdle Scotty, nobody plays by the rules but him.
Boo hoo hoo. If you aren't on Wiki crying
about the rules, you're here crying about
the rules. Wah wah wah,
everybody is so mean to poor widdle Scotty. Wah wah wah,
nobody let's them in their Tom Swift groups. Wah
wah wah, everybody thinks his stories suck ass.
Wah Wah Wah! [[ "FWDixon" on Lindholm Group,
30 September 2006 ]] // see II-E3, preceding.
// ... you childishly pout
and want to whine about how I'm hurting
your business. [[ by "Bob" on his Hardy Boys Blog, 14 April 2006; copy of
an e-mail to an individual seller on Amazon Marketplace ]] ...you
whine and cry about it and insult me.
...These are precisely the type of antics that got you kicked off the
list, you big crybaby. [[ by "Hardyboy (Mr.
Nice Guy)" on alt.books.nancy-drew, 27 November 1999, to poster
...Don't start whining about it now.
...Yeah right crybaby. My whole world
revolves around you... [[ by "Hardyboy (Mr. Nice Guy)" on
alt.books.nancy-drew, 28 November 1999, to poster "Steveseg"
...You piss & moan that you don't like the
way I run the list... [[ by "RWF" on Series Book Central
-date- to Steve Servello ]]
...Translation: Bob keeps kicking my ass and I don't have enough
intellegence to keep up with him. Wah MOMMY! Make
the bad man stop picking on me. Wah, wah, wha!!!! [[ from
"Seattle Bookseller" ]] ...No widdle Sammy,
why don't you tell all the people how easy it is to get eBay to remove
negative feedback? You shot off your big bazoo and now
whine about how you said it wasn't easy!
[[ from "The Bobino" (<rwfemail2006...) on rec.collecting.books,
21 December 2006, to "Sam" <chainman6...> ]] ... let's discuss what a
hypocritical, pretentious blowhard you are.
Constantly whining about the lack of
civilized discussion and then using any attempt to flame me and anyone
else who won't conform to your self-imposed "rules". [[ by "Bob"
(Fwdi...) on rec.collecting.books, 22 March 2005, in response to
"John Yamamoto-Wilson" ]] ...Not everyone is as
feeble-minded as you. You seem to believe
that the only speech that should be free is that
with which you happen to agree. [[ from "HardyBoys.net" on
rec.collecting.books, 9 June 2003, responding to "Tom" (ref.
racial epithet postings, cited below) ]]
II-F: Characterizations of Doxmyth fan fiction, use of "pariah", "Tom Swift community"
II-F1: By character MookiesDad: ...Why do I consider your "site"
off-topic - because it doesn't supply any information on any of the
various series, it's just your monumental ego trip. Every reviewer of
your "fiction" has declared it poor and juvenile.
Get it? NOBODY LIKES IT!...
[[ 19:31, 9
September 2006 ]] ... how arrogant and conceited you are. No wonder
Ippolito threw you out of his group!
...[[ 11:12, 8 September 2006 ]] ... Tom Swift fan fiction is
non-canonical, usually bad, possibly illegal...
Fan fiction is non-canonical and irrelevant
to this article... [[ 01:45, 13 September 2006 ]] ... It's no small
wonder that you are a pariah in the Tom Swift
community. [[ 19:08, 11 September 2006 ]]
4 II-F2: By character FWDixon:
...it's precisely these kinds of statements and your paranoid behavior
that makes you persona non grata on most Yahoo groups.
[[ Lindholm Group, 28 August, 2006, responding to "MDB" ]]
4 II-F3: By characters openly identified as Robert
Finnan: Another rant of pure fantasy by the
pariah of the Usenet, K- "Fat Ass"... [[ by BobFinnan.com on
Groups:rec.arts.books. childrens, 30 September, 2006, to "Kris B-"
...you continued to lie repeatedly and made yourself a
pariah among the very people whom you
wanted to impress...[[ who, where etc,
10 March, to "seattle_bookseller" ]] ...Another
rant of pure fantasy by the
pariah of the
Usenet...[[ by "BobFinnan.com" on rec.arts.books.children
, 30 September 2006; not directed at Doxmyth/Dickerson.
II-G: Inter-referenced self-disclosures, accusations
II-G1: By character Pak434: ...one editor appears to be using a
number of sock puppets in an attempt to make this consensus seem even
broader. The following Wiki user IDs all appear to
be the same person:
[[ User:184.108.40.206|220.127.116.11 ]], [[ User:SuperDuperMan ]], [[ User:MookiesDad
]], [[ User:Fwdixon ]]... [[ 16:37, 19 October 2006 ]] ... You also neglected to log in on 02:02, 19 October 2006
(→Discussion of further edit work by Scott Dickerson) when you added to
previous comments made by [[ User:MookiesDad
on 01:52, 18 October 2006 (→Further edit work by Scott Dickerson).
You changed the signature to
[User:SuperDuperMan ]]. [[ 04:04, 26 October 2006
on 6 October 2006 as [[ User:MookiesDad ]]
you removed text from a number of individual Hardy Boys pages
that you claimed was copied from "your"
(FWDixon’s) web site.... [[ 11:16, 26 October 2006 ]]
...Doxmyth/Scott Dickerson, he is actually an active member of
Mookies’ Tom Swift discussion group...
September 2006 ]] ... The fact that Doxmyth made the "Hitler"'
remark about MookiesDad in another forum,
MookiesDad's Tom Swift Yahoo fan group. [[ 28 September 2006
NOTE: These latter references are to a contemporaneous discussion
group moderated by the ostensible "FWDixon", his posts therein signed
"Bob Finnan". IE, the claim by "Pak434" is that "MookiesDad" is
"FWDixon". The original "Hitler" comment was made to "FWDixon" in a
private and nonposted e-mail by someone other than myself, made
available to me, evidencing knowledge by "Pak434" of "FWDixon"'s private
TALK:NLU>>For the past month
[[ User:SuperDuperMan ]], who also edits under [[ User:MookiesDad ]], [[ User:Fwdixon
]] and [[ User:18.104.22.168 ]], has engaged in edit
warring, flagrant sockpuppetry...[[ 17:14,
27 October 2006 ]] ... On 19 October 2006 I called attention to the
fact that user IDs 22.214.171.124, SuperDuperMan, MookiesDad, and Fwdixon
all appeared to be the same person and that
this person appeared to be using sockpuppets
to broaden a legitimate concensus... 22 October 2006
]] ... [[ User:SuperDuperMan ]]’s claim that I also edit under [[ User:Noumenes
or that I am a sock/meat puppet of
[[ User:Antaeus Feldspar ]] likewise has no basis in fact. ...this user
has engaged in flagrant sockpuppetry...Evidence
of sockpuppetry has now been provided by
[[ User:Antaeus Feldspar ]]. [[ 15:00, 28 October 2006 ]]
II-G2: Related comments by Wikipedia editor "Antaeus Feldspar": ... the claims of
sockpuppetry against Fwdixon/ 126.96.36.199/ MookiesDad/ SuperDuperMan are indeed backed up by
evidence. By contrast, "SuperDuperMan" makes strong accusations about
Pak434 and Noumenes and I all being the same
person but has provided no evidence whatsoever, neither on
[[ Talk:Tom Swift ]] nor here. The claim that
Noumenes and I are the same person seems particularly ludicrous,
given that to my knowledge Noumenes and I have never agreed on anything
so far. [[ 00:49, 28 October 2006 ]]
4II-G3: By character "SuperDuperMan": User:Pak434...
also edits under the sockpuppet User:Noumenes...
I suspect both edit names are sock/meat puppets of User:Antaeus_Feldspar
[[ 19:40, 27 October 2006 ]]
4II-G4: By character "FWDixon": It seems Feldspar and his
meat/sock puppet Pak234 are becoming drunk
with power. [[ 14:00, 2 November 2006 ]] ...Feldspar... is a
sockpuppeteer who operates the sockpuppet Pak434
among others... [[ 20:38, 3 November 2006 ]] ...I submit that
neither Antaeus Feldspar or his sock/meat puppet
Pak434 can in any way be considered "impartial" or "unbiased"...
[[ 20:38, 3 November 2006 ]]
II-H: Irrelevance of Doxmyth "Predecessors" paragraph
4 II-H1: By character "MookiesDad": ...I removed your vandalistic
"predecessors" paragraph AGAIN because if
is completely irrelevant. ...[[
you've... presented uncited speculation as
fact...I will remove your link and "Predecessors"
paragraph any time you post it. [[ 19:31, 9 September 2006
]] ... leave the article to those who have
researched the topic... [[ 19:20, 7 September 2006
]] ... for
heaven's sake, stop presenting speculation and
supposition as fact as in the
"predecessors" section you keep trying to foist on the article!
[[ 19:48, 7 September 2006 ]] ... Doxmyth continues to insert a
paragraph that is entirely speculative,
without citations and, IMHO, is based entirely on
personal opinion... Doxmyth has no
knowledge of the series and has contributed NOTHING other than
to... insert personal opinion, speculation and
supposition in place of fact. [[ 12:41, 9 September 2006
.. I consider your "Predecessors" paragraph
to be entirely conjectural and therefore
inappropriate for Wiki... [[ 19:00, 9
September 2006 ]] ...continues to insert his
"predecessors" section despite the fact that there is a)
no connection whatsoever to Tom Swift, b)
is entirely made up of conjecture, supposition,
surmise and opinion which is directly contraindicated by all Wiki
guidelines and c) is irrelevant...
10 September 2006 ]] ... continues to insert
his irrelevant "predecessors" section despite all attempts to
reason with him...[[ 01:59, 10 September 2006 ]] ....Predecessors
- If you can find anything with a proven connection as an
influence on Tom Swift otherwise the section is so
pointless as to be completely useless. ...[[ 01:45, 13
September 2006 ]]
4II-H2: By character Pak434: This text has been inserted numerous
times over the objection of other editors. Stubbornly reinserting it
again and again invites edit warring and flies in the face of an
emerging consensus that none of it belongs
in this article. The... text dealing with the so-called invention-story
milieu is redundant...[[ 19:31, 18 October
2006 ]] ... please refrain from stubbornly reinserting it, and the
text dealing with the so-called invention-story
milieu, as you are instigating an edit war by doing so...
[[ 01:22, 20 October 2006 ]] ... This text has been inserted
numerous times over the objection of other editors. ...it
does not belong in the article... [[ 18
October 2006 ]]
4II-H3: By character SuperDuperMan: Scott Dickerson (aka
Doxmyth)... makes anononymous edits further promoting his site and
POV about Tom Swift. [[ 02:05, 19 October
2006 ]] ... the information isn't useful;
since it expresses opinion, it is
inapropriate, and is
irrelevant in the context in which you place it... [[ 02:04, 19
October 2006 ]] ... [TS hist ]]> ]] 12:28, 24 October 2006
SuperDuperMan (Talk | contribs) m (By Wiki's own definition, TS is
NOT Edisonade, so I
removed any reference to it and will continue to do so as I view
its insertion into that article as vandalism.)//to whom>// ... (from
Edisonade: "Revision as of 22:52, 24 October 2006 (edit) (→Examples -
Tom Swift is clearly not Edisonade.
Attempts to justify that theory on the Tom Swift page by including it
here is obvious bootstrapping.) ... Let me
make myself clear - as long as I live I will remove the "See Also"
section that points to Edisonade or Frank Reade
- neither topic having the slightest connection to Tom Swift
except, of course, in your imagination. [[ 00:03, 22 October 2006 ]]
II-I: Use of term "Consensus", pattern of
misspelling (instances underlined)
[Note: see Appendix IV for Wikipedia
definition of "consensus"]
4II-I1: By character "Pak434": ...A consensus
has been reached that Doxmyth's repeated attempts... However one editor
appears to be using a number of sock puppets in an attempt to make this
consensus seem even broader... [[ 16:37, 19
October 2006 ]] ...A consensus has been reached that none
of it belongs in the article. [[ 01:22, 20 October 2006 ]] ..The
fact that sockpuppetry has been used to make the
consensus seem broader does not mean there one doesn't exist.
...Your argument... does not "dissolve" the
consensus reached here. [[ 20 October 2006 ]] ...A
consensus has been reached that the Tom
Swift adventures meet the general definition of the term
"Edisonade"...[[ 17:28, 25 October 2006 ]] ...using sockpuppets to
broaden a legitimate concensus... a
consensus has formed... [[ 22 October 2006
]] ...We are having a problem with the definition of "consensus".
Consensus means a general agreement...
[[ 10:41, 31 October 2006 ]]
4II-I2: By unsigned user 188.8.131.52 19:11: ...I won't remove the
link again unless there is a concensus on
this... [[ 31 August 2005 ]]
4II-I3: By unsigned user 184.108.40.206: ...If a
concensus can't be reached that Finnan has spammed Wiki to sell
books from his web site, this is obvious, then discussion is a waste of
time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk •
contribs) on 22:21, 22 August 2005.
4II-I4: By unsigned user 18.104.22.168 18:01: ...The link to Hardy Boys memoribillia also falls
under the concensus of one link per site on main article pages because it
is part of The Unofficial Hardy Boys Web Site... [[ from TALK:HARDY BOYS
31 August 2005 ]]
4II-I5: By unsigned user 22.214.171.12419:40: ...No more changes will be made
by me without concensus. Apologies to all...
[[ from TALK:PHILLIP O, 31 August 2005 ]]
NOTE: note pattern of misspelling
"consensus" as "concensus", bolded and underlined.
unsigned quotes refer to "Hardy Boys" article editing. Characters
sharing the misspelling purport to represent both sides of
issue involving Finnan-FWDixon-Hardy Boys. //
4II-I6: By character "SuperDuperMan": ... The
consensus here is that your repeated attempts are inappropriate
and self-promoting... [[ 20:35, 18 October 2006 ]]
II-J: Comparative timeframes of activities, editing
4II-J1: Character "FWDixon": Ceased posting on June 26, 2006;
resumed October 19, 2006. [Topics after October 19th are Hardy Boys,
Stratemeyer, Billie Holliday (etc.).]
4II-J2: Character "Pak 434": First posting October 6, 2006,
date. [Topics: Tom Swift, 38; Stratemeyer-related (primarily Hardy
Boys), 14; Other, 13]
4II-J3: Character "MookiesDad": First posting June 27, 2006; last
posting to date, October 24, 2006 [Topics: Tom Swift, 102;
Stratemeyer-related, 35; Fan-Fiction, etc, 15; Doxmyth, 11; Other, 20]
4II-J4: Character "SuperDuperMan": First posting October 16, 2006;
last posting to date, October 27, 2006 [Topics: Tom Swift, 65;
Stratemeyer-related, 1; Doxmyth, 9; Other, 45 (many music, rock, etc.)]
4II-J5: Character "Noumenes": First posting October 11, 2006; Last
posting to date October 22, 2006. [Topics: Tom Swift, 10; Doxmyth, 2;
Other (own user page), 2]
4II-J6: Character "DocSimpson": One posting to date.
Note added on WP:PAIN: "— DocSimpson (talk • contribs) has made few
or no other edits outside this topic."
II-K: Parallel research references
4II-K1: By character "FWDixon": ...I also
spent hours at the NY Public Library
poring over data in the Stratemeyer archives...
[[ 12:07, 22 August 2005 ]]
4II-K2: By character "MookiesDad": ...as much as I respect John's
work, it was done in an era when finding info on the Syndicate was neigh
on impossible. Now researchers have access to the
Stratemeyer archives in the NYPL 5th Ave branch, were I have
spent many a pleasant day researching the
Syndicate's boy stories like Rover Boys, Tom Swift and Hardy Boys... [[
03:26, 10 September 2006 ]] ... As I mentioned earlier, scholars
are reexamining Mr. Dizer's work in light of the
torrent of new evidence which became available after he wrote his
book and new facts have turned up to
dispute some of his suppositions... [[ 03:43, 10 September 2006
II-L: General summation
Presuming that the thesis of this section has been proven, I
hereinafter treat comments by any of these above-cited characters as
comments by "Bob Finnan" for purposes of comparison with those of "Tom
following is quoted in narrative sequence. It illustrates the attitudes
and beliefs of "Finnan", and also takes note of questions raised about
his use of prevarication and alias. In some cases I lack information as
the site of the original posts to which these responses refer.
III-A: the original 9-11 post
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books, alt.books.nancy-drew,
From: fwdi...@yahoo.com (fwdi...@yahoo.com)
Date: 12 Sep 2001 12:17:04 -0700
Local: Wed, Sep 12 2001 12:17 pm
Subject: OT: America Under Attack
Yesterday, September 11, 2001, another day that
will live in infamy, cowardly Arab (a redundancy?) terrorists killed and
maimed thousands of innocent people in four coordinated plane hijackings
ending in the demolition of three buildings in the World Trade center
and a portion of the Pentagon. Finally the United States must wake up to
the true nature of Islam. It is NOT a religion - it is a radical
political movement with the aim of destroying all democratic countries,
the United States in particular. The history of Islam is a history of
murder, brutality and destruction. It is a cancer on the face of this
planet. The only logical response is the destruction of Islam. Every
Islamic country must be bombed into cinders. Not a living thing should
be left, not a building left standing - a total and all out nuclear
attack on every one of these gangster nations. Across the world, every
Arab, every follower of Islam, must be eliminated. No trial, no appeal,
just the instant death they wish upon others. This is not murder any
more than eliminating any other type of vermin is considered murder.
This is self-preservation. Regardless of the thoughts of our
pusillanimous "allies", America must take unilateral action. Right now,
we have the ability and we have the power - to NOT use it would be a
crime against humanity. WAKE UP PRESIDENT BUSH, IT'S US OR THEM -
DESTROY ISLAM - DESTROY ALL ARABS
III-B: subsequent posts
13 September 2001
j-yam...@sophia.ac.jp (John Wilson) wrote in message
However, unlike you perhaps, I have Islamic and Arabic friends, people >
who are as horrified by all of this as anyone.
Don't let them fool you. Those filthy towelheads
would just as soon slit your throat as look at you. Every single one of
those stinking pigs has to be eradicated and the sooner the better. Once
again I call for an all out nuclear attack on every Islamic nation.
paghatSPAMME...@netscape.net (paghat) wrote in
> the poetry of Hafiz and Rumi which just
might > help you grow something in that vacuum.
Paggie, you old tampon, I suggest that you break
out a history book and study the horrors perpetrated by Muslims in the
name of their gutter "religion". Nothing good has EVER come from Islam
and nothing ever will. Nitwit pantywaist "leaders" in our country have
refused to recognize the dangers inherent in Islam - perhaps out of
stupidity or cupidity. It's unfortunate that we have chosen to close our
eyes and pretend that Islam is just peachy - as long as we get our oil!
Islam is and always was a political movement. It's history is that of
destruction. It is a cancer on our planet and must be eliminated. Nuke
'em all - let God sort 'em out.
III-C: responses and questioning
From: kam...@dogeared.com (Scot Kamins)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:03:50 -0700
Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2001 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: OT: America Under Attack
fwdi...@yahoo.com (fwdi...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> Don't let them fool you. Those filthy
towelheads would just as soon slit your throat as look at you.
Every single one of those stinking pigs has to be eradicated and the
sooner the better. Once again I call for an all out nuclear attack on
every Islamic nation.
I'm not willing to believe that Bob wrote this. It
has to be a troll.
Bob is obstreperous an a pain in the butt, but he
does read books.
Collecting The Modern Library 1917-1970
From: "Rich Davis"
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:13:41 -0700
Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2001 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: OT: America Under Attack
HAIL VICTORY! We should immediately declare war
against the United Arab Emirates and Taliban government.
From: "Rich Davis" <prda...@zoomnet.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:21:46 -0700
Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2001 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: America Under Attack
By moonlight we ride
10,000 side by side
With swords drawn, held high
Our weapons and armor shine
Now is the day, into glory ride
Over the top of a vanquished pride
Sworn to eternal vows
The time to strike is NOW
From: paghatSPAMME...@netscape.net (paghat)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:29:18 -0700
Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2001 8:29 pm
Okay, now I'm with Scot, this has gotta be the work
of a troll signing on as Bob & Rich making them sound like inbred Ku
Klux Klan trailer trash. Rich has never been this crazy before anyway
— & the armed forces don't want anyone quite that crazy either
— so the
other shtick about "going back in the military" was crap
— if it isn't
crap then we're in even deeper doodoo "defended" by goose-steppers &
-paghat the ratgirl
From: Ben Waggoner <b...@mail.uca.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:06:02 -0500
Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2001 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: OT: America Under Attack
The post's Path originated at google.com, but the
header gives the NNTP-Posting-Host: 126.96.36.199. A quick trip to
http://samspade.org/ fingers this as a computer in the Nassau Library
System, based in Uniondale, Nassau County, New York. Previous posts from
both "fwdi...@hardy-boys.net" and"fwdi...@yahoo.com", including both the
bigoted spews and more routine, unexceptional posts, show posting hosts
such as 188.8.131.52, 184.108.40.206, and 220.127.116.11, all in
the same block of addresses for the Nassau Library System. There's also
one from 18.104.22.168, which belongs to Cablevision Systems Corp. in
Hicksville, New York. Both towns are in Nassau County, the western end
of Long Island. Bob Finnan's got a PO Box in East Northport, just down
the road and still in Nassau County. In other words, either it really is
Bob Finnan, or Bob's got a pressing problem with identity theft —
or at any rate needs to remember to log off the computers he uses in the
library. For the sake of the tattered shreds of my remaining faith in
humanity, I hope it's the latter. . . —
From: kam...@dogeared.com (Scot Kamins)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:47:41 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 14 2001 12:47 pm
Subject: "Terrorist" comments did NOT come from Bob
Here's a note I sent to Bob Finnan and his response:
— - Scot Kamins <kam...@dogeared.com> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> Did this really come from you? Or is it another forgery?
This post did not come from me nor did the other ones along this line
I've spotted using "fwdi...@yahoo.com".
I use my public library to go online and,
unfortunately, the browser didn't automatically log me out as it
normally did, thus causing this problem. This has been an ongoing
problem in this library and I'm not the only one who has been affected
by this. Both my Google Usenet posting account and my Yahoo e-mail
account were affected although both have now be reclaimed.
After this date, any posts to the Usenet using my
"fwdi...@yahoo.com" address are bogus and I would appreciate an e-mail
head up if you spot one. Thanx,
The Unofficial Hardy Boys Home Page
From: "michael adams" <mjadam...@onetel.net.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:49:21 -0000
...Indeed in another post he
[[ "Bob Finnan" ]]
claimed "I go online at my public library and discovered that if I
neglected to log out from Google Groups, that closing the browser window
would not log me out as usual." However according to the Google archive
at least, he made no other posts that day. The point being you don't
need to enter a password or anything else in order to read posts using
Google Groups. Google Groups is simply another website. However in order
to post through Google Groups, you need to enter the relevant email
address and password for each session. And so how did the imposter, if
imposter it was, know Mr Finnon's Google password in order to post a
message? The point being that you're only prompted to enter your
password and email address into Google when you attempt to post a
message. And yet according to the archive Mt Finnon didn't post any
other message on that day. Please note also that the above was
crossposted to rec.collecting.books,
alt.books.nancy-drew,alt.fan.doc-savage. Which seems to imply that the
impersonator has gone to a lot of trouble in starting a new thred in
Google and crosspoting a new message in all those particular groups.
Please not this wasn't simply a follow-up with the thread title changed
and the NewsGroups retained, as it is possible to do in Google. There
are no references, and so this is a new thread with those particular
newsgroups deliberately chosen. Presumably out of habit.
From: "John R. Yamamoto- Wilson" <j...@rarebooksinjapan.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:46:43 +0900
Local: Sun, Jun 8 2003 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: troll with racist problem
Personally, I find myself wondering who would
target rec.collecting.books so specifically with these messages. Similar
messages do not appear to have been sent to other newsgroups. Perhaps
the troll has some particular interest in this newsgroup? I hate to say
it, but I get the horrible feeling we've been here before. Those who
remember the "OT: America Under Attack" thread, with its murderous
exhortations, will know what I mean: ... Those messages purported
to come from Bob Finnan, although he denied it, claiming he hadn't
logged out of his account properly at the local library and someone else
had posted under his name. We never did quite work out how it had
occurred to that someone else that Bob posted here and how he or she had
locked in so convincingly to such details of Bob's style as his
bantering love-hate relationship to Paghat, and quite a few people
remained unconvinced by Bob's disclaimer.
NOTE: The stated explanation by "Finnan" requires acceptance of the
following: (1) that some individual, immediately following Finnan's use of the public library
computer, decided to use Finnan's account to send bogus, inflammatory
messages to the same newsgroups as are frequented by Finnan; (2) that
he/she was again in a position to do so on the day subsequent;
(3) that he/she read the responses to the preceding email and chose to
respond as Finnan; (4) that he/she was willing and able to address other
regular newsgroup posters in a personal manner, using terms of the same
derogatory character as is typical of Finnan's acknowledged postings;
and (5) that Finnan, who maintained a home collection of materials and
dealt extensively with the public on a commercial basis via the
Internet, elected to make frequent use of a local public library
computer within a few miles of his ostensible residence in Sea Cliff
system already known by him to be insecure, according to his own
statement, and to have allowed prior fraudulent posting by way of his
I will add, as a matter of
possible relevance, that "Finnan" was implicitly accused by a group
member of later postings using racial epithets. The basic exchange is as follows:
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books, From: Willem
<wjtim...@worldonlineNOspam.nl> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:57:33 +0200:
"i deleted 4 messages today from this newsgroup because they contained
nasty statements. some of you might have seen them. they came from an
Extracts from several immediate responses by "Bob
Finnan": ...Who appointed you group censor? I don't
know what messages you deleted but you really should mind your own
business and let people decide for themselves what they want to read.
... What I support is the free exchange of ideas, whether I happen to
agree with them or not. Causing messages to be deleted is just plain
wrong, no matter what the messages contain. The last thing any group
needs is a self-appointed censor. ... The issue is a
self-appointed censor who thinks he has the right to determine which
messages are acceptable and which are not. We are all adults here and
fully able to determine for ourselves which messages have validity and
which do not. ... I'll decide for myself what the issue is. The
original poster claimed he had the message removed from the Usenet, not
just for himself. Why do you Brits have such trouble understanding the
concept of free speech? Speech that everyone agrees with does not have
to be protected, it's the speech everyone seems to hate that needs the
most protection. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. ... You would have
been right at home in Nazi Germany.
"Finnan" did not respond to the
implicit suggestion that he was the author of the postings. The titles
of the referenced postings were:
7 juni 2003 Kill A Nigger For
Jesus (1 bijdrage) xganon
8 juni 2003 KILL THE NIGGER LOVERS (1 bijdrage) xganon.
IV. OTHER PROBABLE ALIASES OR SUGGESTIVE
The following comments upon The Subject's perceived mode of utilizing
the internet and interacting with newsgroups. His employment of various internet
monickers, here considered apart from Wikipedia, tends to support the general thesis
that both "Finnan" and "Ippolito" make extensive use of aliases
and thus may themselves "be" aliases of one another.
[[ NOTE ALSO: "Rich Davis", III-C2,3, above. ]]
IV-A: Comments from others re aliases:
[NOTE: See Appendix IV for
definitions/discussion of "trolling".]
...Probably most readers understand who the real troll is
here. ...Many groups have "local trolls" who are really no
different than trolls who make their mischief net-wide, except
that local trolls like "RWF" Bob Finnan generally confine their
trolling activities to one or two groups. ...Like most trolls,
Finnan is a Google near non-entity. A
little research indicates there is little or substance to him at all, as
far as Usenet is concerned. ...There are no
stand-alone posts by people like Finnan, nothing at all that they
can point Usenet readers to with pride. ...That is one sure sign of a
troll: No substantial Usenet track record of stand-alone
postings (essays, short stories, poems, whatever). ...Now you know what
Bob Finnan is: A Usenet non-entity whose lust for attention takes him
down a mean, low-down path through these electronic woods. [[ on Newsgroups: rec.collecting.books by Bill Palmer, 22
August 2004 ]]
...Lately, there has
been quite a bit of fuss over Bob Finnan, who has posted under
the names "Bookman", "Bob Finnan",
"Bob", and most recently under the name "For
Duty and Humanity". Using the Google Groups archive, I have
done a quick analysis of Bob's posts to this newsgroup...There has been
more than a few firestorms over Bob's attacks on other NG members,
present company included. I count 36 such posts over the last two years.
...how many posts has Bob done that are on-topic, and not just a
flame of another poster or an ad for his website?
Of the 67 posts that
Bob has done to this NG in the last two years, I count
3 posts that
could be considered on-topic, non-ad and non-flaming... This analysis
shows why Bob has been so controversial. For anyone who is interested in
the Stooges and not in Bob's business or Bob's personal preferences,
this man's post are simply not worth reading... [[ on
alt.comedy.slapstick.three-stooges by Frank J. Lhota,
9 July 2005 ]] // "Finnan" confirmed that he had
adopted a new monicker: //
John R. Yamamoto-Wilson wrote: > ...I hadn't realised that you
were now posting as "the Bobino",
though looking back I see you responded in a hostile way to something
else I wrote a couple of weeks ago, and if I'd been reading messages
more thoroughly I'd have put two and two together."
Response by "Finnan": What?!?!
You go out of your way to annoy me?!?!?! Never!!!!! FYI: I'm now
posting under the sobriquet of "Doo Wop Daddy-O"
- don't want you to get confused.
Mar 22 2004:
posts are really flying in from New York State there! First Dixon, sorry
Hardy Boys, sorry Finnon, and now Fundoc from
upstate near Albany.
You guys really ought to get together, and have a party sometime !
michael adams ...
// Waterford, the ostensible home of "Tom
Ippolito", is about 10 mi from Albany // ...Bob Finnan's lack
of integrity is on public display...
with his totally unconvincing protestations that he didn't post
messages urging the murder of billions of people.
(http://tinyurl.com/3dph4; scroll down to see my response picking out
the obvious flaw in his account). The original posting
removed from the Google archives, but go to
http://tinyurl.com/27b46 to see it quoted in full by the
admirable Rich Davies. His toilet-level mentality is also on
public record. See the webboard he maintains on Tim McCarver at
http://members2.boardhost.com/ihatetim/. I note that the poster's
link to a Ku Klux Klan website has finally been
removed from the
webboard, though it was there when I last took a look, at the time of the xganon "kill a nigger for Jesus" postings (June 2003). ...[[ "John Yamamoto-Wilson"
<johndeletet.. .@rarebooksinjapan.com>, 27 March 2004 ]] ...
"haven't you guys ever heard of a killfile?" Yours predicts which email
address he's going to use next? He's had more aliases than Jennifer
Garner. [[ by "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> on rec.arts.books.childrens,
8 Sept 2004, in reference to "FWDixon" ]] ...ABC For Book
Collectors John Carter p.203</quote>michael adams...here we have the sad
sight of Bob "The Spammer" Finnon, spending the whole of Sunday
evening having to dream up names for sock puppets, and change his
posting account details, just so he can post messages on the
NewsGroup in support of himself...
IV-B: probable "Finnan" aliases per internal evidence:
don't you settle down? Your whining is starting to get to
everybody. ...Geeeesh — enough all ready! Go play with E-...
"Trollbust" on Newsgroups:
alt.books.nancy-drew, 6 December 1997 ]] // This monicker appears
in a confusing context, but may represent The Subject's willingness to
appear to "feud with himself" under two identities. Admittedly, the
exchange is unclear. // ...Yo, Bobby babe — and
how many screen names do
you have?? We are onto YOU! You keep posting here under
trying to mix it up and draw attention to yourself — -even going so far
as to argue with yourself! Nice tactic Bobby!
[[ ????? ]] ...two phrases, e.g., "Kill A
Nigger For Jesus" crop up elsewhere, but these were not posted at
the same time as "our" xganon's posting, and probably do not come from
the same source. No, there was something in there about being
"fatassed" and I did a
Google search at groups.google.com on the phrase containing that word.
Seven instances were displayed, all coming from the same (bleah!) and
posted to different newsgroups within the past few days. It is, after
all, a catch-phrase among a certain category of charming people. [[
]] ...Sorry, I didn't realise that you were an advocate for
mongolism sensitivity. Have you written your letter of condemnation to
the estate of Charles Schulz for continuining with its ridicule of
hydrocephalic children? [[
"Rodins Balzac", 10 June
// parallel to "Finnan" suggests that this may be a
BIOGRAPHICAL PARALLELS AND PURPORTED DISTINCTIONS
4V-A: Retirement: ...I'm retired
and have nothing but time on my hands and I dislike whining crybabies.
[[ as MookiesDad, on Wikipedia, 9 September 2006 ]] ... Now I'm
retired and have plenty of time to read the
books... [????????] ...
worked for the Department of Defense as a supervisory financial programs
analyst for 26 years before taking an early
retirement. [[ by "Thomas R. Ippolito" ]]
NOTE: I was told by "Ippolito" in a private
email that he had retired on disability to raise his children.
4 V-B: Computer skills and training
...I'm retired from the data
processing busiess for several years. [[ Finnan details? ]] ... I
guess all that scientific fiction got to me as I wound up becoming a
computer systems analyst, then
VP of Data Processing for a
mid-size communication company.
[?????????????] ...I have a B.S. degree in
mechanical engineering and a Masters in
industrial technology management. [[ as preceding ]]
NOTE: The latter is, plausibly, a specialization in data processing and
computers. // ...Ippolito's Virtual
Administrative Solutions, Phone 518- ...Waterford, NY, "GinaVA...@aol.com"
“Services: Providing Services in Word Processing, Desktop Publishing,
Newsletters, Editing/Proofreading, File
Conversion, Data Entry & Database Management, Information Processing,
Photocopying, Presentations, and Event Planning.” ...
“Additional Information: Currently serving the Albany, NY Capital
District in Word, Excel, and Access tutoring.
Also providing comprehensive training for prospective and veteran
administrative assistants.” [[ Retrieved from cache of http:
"This is free list of individuals who have submitted their business."
— "NOT MAINTAINED AS OF MAY 2005" ]]
Note that a first name is not indicated in connection with the
// NOTE: both "Finnan" and "Ippolito" make considerable, and parallel,
use of computers and the Internet in support of both their business
activites and their hobbies. "Ippolito's" articles in BLUEPRINT and his
group postings showed the use of the Internet to supplement research,
and evidenced a likely use of stored book texts to search for key words
and phrases, and to tablulate their overall use. As
of September 2005, various posts have been signed: Tom
Ippolito, Newsgroup System
Administrator, SBC Services, news-supp...@sbcglobal.net
. The following is a biographical statement by "Ippolito" on his Tom
Swift discussion group:
I'm Tom Ippolito. In my younger, more ambitious days, I obtained a BS
degree in mechanical engineering and an MS degree in industrial
technology management. I went on to work for DOD (Department of
Defense), first in the area of MIS (Management Information
Systems)interfacing and later as a supervisory financial programs
analyst, for 26 years before taking an early retirement. At that point I
agreed to say sayonara to the traditional role of family breadwinner and
took on the less conventional role of househusband ... raising our two
youngest children (twin daughters who were five years old at the time)
so my wife could pursue a career of her own. I had no idea at the time
that this would turn out to be the most challenging and, by far, the
most rewarding experience of my life.
My free time is
devoted to a wide range of hobbies, which includes researching the Tom
Swift series and publishing Blueprint, a related fanzine.
illness, absence, family issues: ...The following is
forwarded by Meredith, concerning Bob : "As some of you may know, Bob
was in respiratory arrest following a serious
incident on October 2nd. He came out of his coma three days
later, and is slowly recovering. In maintaining his collection for him,
I am learning an awful lot about boys series books ! Hopefully, he'll be
back online having heated debates soon ! Meredith" [[ Posted
steve...@aol.com (STEVESEG) on alt.books.nancy-drew, 16 October 2000
...I was released from the hospital this morning and I'm now relaxing at
Meredith's house. This evening I'll be going to a long term rehab center
for the next 3 to 6 months for the
nerve and brain damage I sustained. I won't be able to post frequently, only
when I visit Meredith for the weekend. Bob Finnan [[ From:
hardybo...@aol.com (HardyBoy01) on alt.books.nancy-drew, 20
November 2000 ]] ...I
stopped frequenting Bob's site and asked to be removed from his mailing
list the first time he attacked Austin many years ago (and told him that was
the reason why). A few people have tried to defend his actions by citing
his health problems...[[ "Alaina" on Austin Johnson website, 07-18-2005;
following III-A below ]] // NOTE: I was told in a private
communication that "Finnan" was thought to have been involved in a
serious motorcycle accident; this may be the same incident. //
October 2003 issue will follow next weekend and the December 2003 issue
the weekend after that - at which point I will finally be caught up
following my accident this past July.'
Ippolito" paraphrased from private correspondence dated January 2004, made
available to me ]] ...'I
not yet able
to drive or get around quite well enough to do it
myself' [[ by
Ippolito" paraphrased from private
correspondence dated February 2004, made available to me ]] // NOTE: The "Ippolito"
references are not to the same incident as the one referenced above by
"Finnan", but despite the offered accounts they may reflect the same
unstated cause, possibly a developing health problem. // ...Last
May my mother was diagonsed with a very rare and particularly aggressive
form of cancer. Since then I have devoted the vast majority of my time
to helping my father care for her at their home and, as a result, this
is the first opportunity that I've had in several months to turn my
attention to the group. I am disappointed to see that group activity has
fallen off dramatically during this period (from and average of more
than 200 posts per month to less than a dozen) and hope this tend does
not continue. Needless to say, my participation in group discussions
will be sporadic during this difficult time, but I will try to weigh in
when I can. As a matter of necessity, group mnagement functions (member
approval/disapproval, etc.) were turned over to a close friend back in
June. I will resume these responsibilities when I am able. [[ Post to Tom
Swift Discussion Group by Tom Ippolito, August 2006, headlined
Prolonged Absebce From The Group ]] //
NOTE: The identity of the "close friend" was never disclosed to the
group, nor an explanation for why there had been no mention over a
period of months of these circumstances. There is here a parallel to
"Ippolito's" complete unresponsiveness to my e-mails to him in late
2003-early 2004, ultimately explained as due to a broken leg keeping him
away from an upstairs computer (which he alludes to above). //
VI. GENERAL AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
I regard the following as supportive of the thesis and consistent
therewith, but not conclusive in and of itself. The intent is to
establish substantive credibility. The quotes from "Ippolito" are largely drawn from personal
correspondence, some sent to me directly, some made available to me by their original recipients.
Some such extracts are paraphrased for purposes of discretion, as
Sources for quotes from "Finnan" are: Wikipedia contributions and
comments under his various monikers, as above; comments in his Yahoo! Tom Swift discussion group; some
personal correspondence (as described); and comments in the Neil Lindholm
juvenile series discussion page (2006).
VI-A: The inciting incident, 4-17-05
The first post by Scott Dickerson to new
discussion group on Tom Swift fan fiction, created by "Tom Ippolito" and
illustrated by the cover of SD "Quantum Telesphere", posted by the group
moderator without my (SD) permission. A brief post by "Ippolito" describing the new group and
complimenting SD's fan fiction efforts preceded.
Tom Ipp, thanks for the cred. And back atcha
— all serious Swiftonians
surely realize by now that Thomas Ippolito has, for the last several
years, carried most of the burden of "interactive outreach," if I may so
put it, more or less singlehandedly. Yes, there is always plenty of
activity in the world of collecting. And there are some very fine
personal essays out there reflecting on that boy inventor of ours, and
some great pages devoted to showing the covers and encapsuling the
plots. But what Tom Ipp has put forth is very distinctive, actual
back-and-forth discussion of the inner reality of Earth-Swift for those
of us who dwelt there in our adolescence — and who still indulge the
guilty pleasure of a trip back. Not to mention his fine fanzine,
BLUEPRINT. I trust you all keep your subsciptions current?...
I love the idea of FanFic because I love the
idea of Tom Swift. Given the, shall we say, unlikelihoods attendant upon
any "official" TS revival by S&S, FanFic is the only way to ensure Tom's
And let's be broadminded. There will
be "canonical" FanFic worlds reflecting (to some degree or other) the
Tom Senior/Tom Junior continuity. There will be new branches extended
from that world: Where is Sandy today? What happened to Andy Foger? What
was Barton Swift doing in 1892? What happened to Koku? And what about
that shark attack on the yacht? There will be stories connected to TSIII
and TSIV, crossover stories, Bud-Barclay-in-Scotland stories, "what if"
stories — everything.
And all that is OK by me. The canon is
wonderful. But it isn't everything. "Violations" don't destroy it. It
already exists; it's eternal.
We'll have fun critiquing, comparing,
suggesting. But let's not seek-and-destroy. I've seen it happen. It
The realm of Tom Swift FanFic is
pretty compact so far. Here's what I'm aware of, not necessarily in any
— a sort of Tom Swift Jr. parody
playlet, written by a guy in San Diego, California, and posted on his
— a guest appearance by TSIV in a
Hardy Boys FanFic tale;
— a short story concerning Tom's
childhood, set in San Francisco;
www.tomswiftlives.com FanFic continuity, based upon the TSJ world;
— "Sandra Swift and the Lost Airship,"
a booklength adventure
I'm assuming this site will very
broadly define "fiction" to encompass original artwork and illustration.
I'm aware of two sources of TS art: a picture I've seen called "Morning
on Nestria," and the Tom Swift Lives "cover" art. (There's also some
animated and semi-animated art based on TSJ.) Let's see more!
So — thanks for this discussion group,
where we "science-minded boys" (and girls) get together and get
— Scott Dickerson, age 53 and who's
Parallels, character "Ippolito" and character "Finnan"
By character "Ippolito" —
4VI-B1: Preliminary: private E-mail to "Wossan Kau", a discussion group poster and
new member, made available to me: // The
following is used to establish parallel terminology and attitudes with
regard to my writing efforts and website. //
It is clear from your initial
posts to the discussion group that your primary interest in joining was
to discuss and promote the
tomswiftlives website. While I personally enjoy and support the fan
fiction efforts that two of our members are engaged in, and comment on
them from time to time, I am compelled to point out that this group was
established to discuss topics related to the 99 published Tom Swift
books. Accordingly, overt attempts
to use this forum for the sole purpose
of directing people's attention to the tomswiftlives website will not be
Owner and Moderator"
E-mail to SD by "Ippolito", 4-17-05:
dispense with this defensive crap.
There is no need for it and, frankly, it is getting a bit tiresome. The
unspoken and specious assertion here
is that there have been attacks on
non-canonical works (yours) and I will not sit still for this
sort of misrepresentation.
Discussion about fan Fiction on Tom Swift discussion group invites
comparison to the original stories (i.e. the canon). Suggesting that
comments that were made along those lines were narrow-minded is
insulting and equating them to a
"seek-and-destroy" mission is a gross
exaggeration and patently defamatory.
I have no intention of nitpicking or otherwise criticizing your stories.
To the contrary, I establisjed a group exclusively devoted to fan
fiction to facilitate discussion about them. Keep in mind, the
purpose of the other group is to discuss topics
related to the published series.
Needless to say, this post, for all its initial flattery,
pissed me off.
Keep in mind that I am the one who encouraged you to upload your stories
to the internet. I think I deserve better than this
4VI-B3: Response to
further comments by SD, unpublished e-mail:
4VI-B5: Use of "promote", "self-promoting", etc: ...he continues
to promote his Tom Swift fan fiction
site...Wikipedia is not a place for you to
promote your non-informational web site, regardless of how
good your intentions are... if you must promote
your site...You continue to add self-promoting
text...your continued attempts to promote
it...an excuse to promote your fan
fiction web site...your repeated attempts to
promote your off-topic fan fiction site...your repeated
attempts are inappropriate and self-promoting...shameless
self-promotion of his fan fiction
site...edits further promoting his
site...I suggest that he cease and desist from his non-neutral
promotion of his site, or at least
promote it in the proper
forum...whether it is self-promotional...self-promoting
edits...he should not be permitted to use these articles to
promote his web site...Wikipedia is
not supposed to be used as a vehicle to promote
specific web sites...mention of discussion groups, fandom, etc. appears
to be an excuse to promote your fan
fiction web site...cease your attempts at
his fan fiction web site...He constantly tries to
promote his web site...promoted
your own off-topic web site...he wasn't allowed to
promote his fan fiction...he uses to
promote his fan fiction...shameless
promotion of his fan fiction site even extends to article talk pages // NOTE: the following
are comments by "FW Dixon" posted on the Lindholm group, not directed to
Dickerson. // ...Oh BTW, using other people's boards to
promote your own similar own is considered bad form ... A
strictly promotional post ("Hey
visit my cool on-topic site") is frowned upon... A clever poster can
promote their site...
.4VI-B4: Private e-mail by Ippolito to another group member after revoking SD's group
membership, circa 4-25-05:
besmirching my character in your most recent email was
somehow theraputic for you, then I'm happy for you.
I will not dignify
it with a response of any kind
By character "Finnan" —
It's simple, really. Scott is a
whimpering, immature, highly manipulative and
disingenuous drama queen. Despite this, I did my level best
to work out our differences (which were not personal) in an amiable
manner. He chose to exacerbate the problem by
making things personal after I did everything that I
reasonably could to accommodate him.
Hence his removal.
4VI-B6: References to
"canon", "no information", etc: ...the
site [ "Tom Swift Lives!" ] contains absolutely NO information
on any of the various series...Tom Swift fan fiction is
non-canonical ...and... immaterial... your
non-informational web site... Fan
fiction is non-canonical and
irrelevant to this article... your
off-topic fan fiction site... your
site contains no factual information... your
site which DOES NOT contain one scintilla of
information about Tom Swift!...Why do I consider your "site"
off-topic - because it doesn't
supply any information on any of the various
4VI-B7: Other parallel
patently obvious blind... your
specious reasoning... would be
grossly misleading... Now he is
whimpering about personal attacks
and civility violations? Pathetic.... he resorts to
whimpering... I dislike whining... your
whining and illogic...he is an emotionally immature
person with narcissistic tendencies and an overwhelming need to be the
centre of attention...a petulant little
about personal attacks....merely bootstrapping and
disingenuous...your compaign to
remove the links merely demonstrates the
unwonted vendetta you are waging against me...his
vendetta against MookiesDad..... the one where
[ NOTE: this preceding comment by FWDixon on Lindholm group ]
whine and cry about it and insult me.'
[ NOTE: this preceding
comment by "Finnan" paraphrased from a private nonpublished e-mail made available to
me ] ...he just doesn't want to deal with your
dramatics and acting out
whine and cry about it and
[ NOTE: these preceding comments by FWDixon
on Lindholm group; not directed at Dickerson ]
"crybaby", attacks on "manliness": ...crying
about incivility...I dislike whining crybabies...you
whine and cry about what a poor
"victim" you are and how nobody plays by the rules...If you aren't on
Wiki crying about the rules, you're
here crying about the rules...
the preceding two comments by FWDixon on Lindholm group ] ....I
politely tried to explain to you how I wanted my group to be run and you
whine and cry about it and insult
me. [ NOTE: this preceding comment by "Finnan" from a private nonpublished
e-mail made available to me ]...Are you going to
tell your mommy too? What a petulant little whining
crybaby you are!... Aren't you the
same guy who sometimes goes under the id Scodiar and posted the
review of a gay drama that you
watched three times called Eban and Charley [ preceding posted to
User Talk: Doxmyth on Wikipedia by "Noumenes"; the
post, and a private email exchange, were about, and directed to, an
article by Bob Finnan; demonstrating the identity of "Noumenes" and
// NOTE: The foregoing parallels in attitude and general content
the deprecative manliness (eg, "whimpering") and homophobic (eg, "drama
queen") references in the "Ippolito" correspondence at VI-B4.
VII: RECAPITULATION AND DISCUSSION
At this point I will review what has been provisionally established by a
preponderence of general and circumstantial evidence, and proceed with a
narrative interpretation of the results, as well as some further points.
The evidence presented in this section is consistent with the
main thesis, but in and of itself is insufficient to demonstrate
the proposed conclusion.
VII-A: use of pseudonyms in Wikipedia editing
The Subject has participated in the Wkipedia editing process,
particularly with regard to the two "Tom Swift" articles, by means of a
range of pseudonyms. Demonstrative evidence consists of correspondence
between the dates of the initial and final postings of the various
pseudonyms, common topics of interest, shared attitudes as to
fanfiction, "predecessors," characterization of my activities, mutual
support (with some mutual disagreement and criticism per the effort to
plausibly demonstrate a distinction of identities), and in particular
concurrence in terminology and phrasing. The Subject has himself linked
the aliases into two groups, each putatively representing a single
person. I have demonstrated the manifest commonalities crossing the line
of division between these groups, thereby justifying the provisional
conclusion that all the pseudonyms represent the efforts of the
VII-B: that the pseudonyms are attributable to character
4VII-B1: the possibility of false evidence. The
pseudonym "FWDixon," customary and acknowledged moniker for "Bob
Finnan," appears least often in terms of the editing of
the two cited articles on Wikipedia. However, the commonalities of style and interest
have been abundantly presented, with some of the key anchors of linkage
being derived not from the Wikipedia work of "Finnan," but from
participation in other venues, such as the Usenet groups and the
short-lived Neil Lindholm series-book discussion group on Yahoo!.
The use of the latter as a source of evidence presented a challenge
and potential point of disputation. The appearance of the "FWDixon" monicker on
Wikipedia was of long duration, and it is implausible to suggest that
this was a fraudulent use of which the standard "FWDixon"/"Bob Finnan" of the
"Tom Swift discussion group" was unaware. It would have
long-since been challenged and dealt with. But the Lindholm group was
newly formed and had elicited only a handful of regular participants.
Might the Lindholm "FWDixon" be someone using that monicker
fraudulently, without the knowledge of the Wikipedia editor, the
standard "FWDixon"? If so,
evidence culled from the Lindholm group would irrelevant to the thesis.
To rebut this charge in advance, I adopted a technique designed to draw
out the participation of "FWDixon/Lindholm" over several additional
days, posting in a manner that would almost certainly come to the
attention of the "real" "Bob Finnan," who would then be expected to
a disavowal (as he did with respect to the aforementioned 9-11 postings). The technique
took the form of the following series of exchanges, and produced a
significant and unexpected result.
VII-B2: the "Identity Series," (edited for relevance).
following paragraph is the first posting in its entirety. //
Question re: Bob Finnan's TS discussion group
« on: September 26, 2006, 10:23:17 AM »
I've noticed that Bob's group is now "members only" — ie, you have to
join to look over the postings. I'm not complaining, just wondering what
led to this — something imposed by Yahoo? If it's a way to address a
problem, it might be useful for me (as a website haver) to understand
it. So, no offense intended. Bob?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2006, 11:49:22 AM »
Where do you get the audacity to question me as to what I do with my
group? You aren't a member and it's absolutely none of your
affair. What a monumental ego you have. No wonder Ipp kicked
you out of his group!
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 12:19:15 AM »
The above post by "fwdixon" purports to be by the moderator of the group
in question, Bob Finnan. But is it? The rest of us comply with Neil's
policy and use our real names. So, let's clear it up a bit. "fwdixon",
please post one more time, stating your real name. Whether he does, or
whether he doesn't, I think we may all be about to learn something.
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 06:41:40 AM »
Dickerson, you really are a sick idiot. Let's say I wasn't me, I could
easily say I was. Likewise the reverse is true. If you have any doubts
as to who I am, try joining my TS group and see how quickly you get
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 11:53:01 AM »
I repeat: will you actually state your real name as part of your next
post? Not that hard. Or is it? It's done like this (with different
letters): Scott Dickerson
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 04:47:57 PM »
Dickerson, I'm not buying into your game and I'm certainly not about to
take orders from such a disturbed individual as you. You know, the one
where you whine and cry about what a poor "victim" you are and how
nobody plays by the rules etc and so forth. I reiterate: If you have any
doubts as to who I am, just try joining my TS group. Your "scodiar"
address has already been blocked and any attempt you make to join under
another name will be thwarted. You need psychiatric help, you're REALLY
a sicko. Futhermore, if you really did have a question about my TS
group, why post it here instead of emailing me? You are just a
trouble-maker and a royal pain in the ass. It's no wonder you are a
pariah in the TS collecting community and that your "stories" are
subjected to ridicule. (They really do "suck" as you posted another
commentator had claimed.)
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2006, 11:34:21 PM »
Ah.... the same old Bob. How nice to know that some thing's never
change. ...Bob is insanely jealous of anyone who can really write books
and does his best to put them down, endlessly.... He never uses his real
name. He's forgotten it by now with all the aliases. But we haven't.
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2006, 05:19:54 PM »
And I repeat once more, fwdixon: Please state below, just once, for the
record, your real name. The actual legal name of the person you see when
you look in the mirror. If you'll look at the upper righthand corner of
this page, you'll see these words: "Remember that real names are
required in this forum." Surely you don't intend to violate the
moderator's rules? You won't do this little tiny task to placate a real
idiot? Look at it this way: by playing along, you're keeping me from my
lousy (much ridiculed) FanFic writing and thus doing a service to
humanity. Incidentally, you asked "what will that prove"? I'll ask you:
where did you get the idea I was trying to prove something?
— Scott Dickerson (pariah and author of sucky fiction)
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2006, 08:52:22 PM »
Wah wah wah. poor widdle Scotty, nobody plays by the rules but him. Boo
hoo hoo. If you aren't on Wiki crying about the rules, you're here
crying about the rules.
Wah wah wah, everybody is so mean to poor widdle Scotty.
Wah wah wah, nobody let's them in their Tom Swift groups.
Wah wah wah, everybody thinks his stories suck ass.
Wah Wah Wah!
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2006, 03:22:39 PM »
I'm not crying about the rules, fwdi. I'm noting your unaccountable
refusal to abide by them. Please be so good as to state your real name.
And if you think the readers of the group might be interested in
something going on on Wikipedia, let's supply them with a convenient
link, shall we?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2006, 06:53:55 PM »
"Rule #1 - obey all rules." - Barney Fife.
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2006, 11:48:39 AM »
My God, do any of you ever STOP??? How old are you? I'm 18, and even I
can see you're all a bunch of idiots! Go do SOMETHING ELSE!!!
(Although, Scott, you seem to be more sensible - take my advice, just
stay away from Bob... done more damage to the series book community than
I could have ever thought possible.)
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2006, 04:38:55 PM »
Now that's the most sensible advice I've heard in a long time. And I'll
take it, too. There's no reason to further respond to "fwdixon"
— Scott Dickerson
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2006, 06:29:28 PM »
...more damage to the series book community than I could have ever
Let's see - you stole my website, falsely claimed that you came up with
the idea for a Hardy Boys webzine when I created mine when you were
about 6. So you're a liar AND a plagiarist (not to mention being a
snot-nosed little punk who isn't even dry behind the ears yet!) Hardly
one in a position to be giving advice and certainly not a person whose
advice should be heeded. If anyone has "damaged" the series collecting
community, it's you and your lying, thieving ways!!!
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2006, 04:44:18 PM »
Contributor "fwdixon" has posted some information about himself on
Wikipedia, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fwdixon.
I found it unexpectedly interesting. Especially:
"...My name is Bob Finnan, I own a mansion and a yacht. ... When not
busy working on my web sites, I volunteer at the local animal shelter
and take care of my ever-growing clowder of "special needs" cats!..."
Who knew? (Never have run across the word "clowder".)
"The Identity Project" & "Operation Permanent Record"
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2006, 06:19:05 PM »
Your obsession with FWDixon has grown to the point of psychotic
stalking. Get some help Dickerson! (Some writing classes wouldn't hurt
4VII-B3: Results of the "Identity Series".
The extension of the sequence of exchanges over a span of nine days
provided ample time for the "real" "Bob Finnan" (the
standard "FWDixon") to post in protest of
the use of his monicker. No such denial appeared. (Admission to
membership was not required on this group for reading and posting.)
Furthermore, one notes the unsolicited allusions to the Wikipedia
controversy, and of course to "Bob Finnan's" past controversies with Austin
Johnson; as well as numerous examples of language and attitude
("pariah in the TS collecting community", "disturbed individual", "Boo
hoo hoo", "obsession...to the point of psychotic stalking") exactly
paralleling the characteristic language of the Wikipedia group of pseudonyms.
There is no doubt that
the "FWDixon" of the Lindholm group is the same person as the Wikipedia
editor using that moniker. Thus evidence from the Lindholm group is
Of special note:
"FWDixon" never complied with the
request that he state his actual legal name; a resistance worth
considering in light of the thesis of this monograph. He himself points
out that such a statement would prove nothing. In light of the express rules of
the moderator, for what reason would he refuse to engage in such a minor
and harmless exercise?
4VII-B4: An odd consequence. In researching posts by
character "Finnan" on the Usenet, I discovered a series of
exchanges with a Kris B- on newsgroups: rec.marketplace circa
November 2006 under various monickers ("Borked Pseudo Mailed",
"Goldenmike4393", as well as "FWDixon") which led to his posting a photo
labelled code pink fat lady, copied from a website named "Targets
of Opportunity" (http://www.targetofopportunity.com/editorial.htm).
This site featured several editorials that included characteristic
"Finnan" language and ideology.
started a new thread on the Lindholm Group. The topic “What are Tom
Swift values?” is surely a legitimate and interesting one. My starting the
thread served a double purpose. My chosen examples included the
above-cited "Targets" site as an example of negative, hateful material
reflecting values contrary to "Tom Swift values." Nothing in my posting
referenced either “Ippolito” or “Finnan.” Yet the immediate reaction
posted openly by "FWDixon" (a thread entitled “Is Scott Dickerson a
Class One offender?”) was so strikingly excessive, and so unwarranted
given the bland content of my just-previous posting, that I felt sure my
test had produced a confirmative result. In other words, I am suggesting
that "Finnan" was so provoked by the "Identity Series" and my mention of
"Targets of Opportunity" that he reacted incautiously to the point of
, states that "Targets of Opportunity" is owned by a New Jersey resident
named Meyer. He also
owns a website about protection dogs:
http://www.bigdogk9.com/ . I am not herein
asserting that Mr. Meyer is The Subject. //
// NOTE: This si
VII-C: Parallels, "Finnan" and
An important caveat: in all cases herein presented,
there are significant differences in vehemence of expression,
degrees of evident commitment, and volume of postings. In all cases the
"Ippolito" character is portrayed as more reticent, controlled,
reserved, reasonable, and dignified. The import of this section is only
to set forth nondispositive parallel elements consistent with the main thesis.
4VII-C1: Pop music of the
50's and 60's. "Finnan" maintains a website on the
Basia and sells recordings; Wikipedia history of edits by both "FWDixon"
and "SuperDuperMan" show repeated edits to
music, singer, and
rock-'n-roll articles; the Wikipedia UserPage for "MookiesDad" states,
"Other interests include Doo Wop music and early rock & roll"; Finnan
acknowledges the monicker "Doo Wop Daddy-O".
He has posted various comments about The Beatles. "Ippolito" posted repeatedly
and to alt.music.midi, discussing not only The Beatles but midi,
Dean Martin; a possible monicker of The Subject, "Borked
Pseudo Mailed", also posted to rec.music.beatles, in April 2007.
I believe classic-pop records and tapes, etc., were offered for sale or
trade by "Ippolito's" Raven's Booknest.
4VII-C2: Cultural-political conservatism. Both
characters address the phenomenon of "Political Correctness" with a
generally deprecatory stance, including, specifically, in its
application to attitudes toward series books. Both have expressed implicit support for conservative religious views and
doctrine; both may be characterized as endorsing "traditional values"
and traditional cultural conceptions of "manliness" and heroism (in the
case of "Finnan," supplemented by militianist, nativist, and
4VII-C3: Attitudes to social issues, gay rights.
Both characters are unsympathetic to, and in the case of "Finnan" openly
hostile to and scornful of, gays and related social issues. Both deprecate
their perceived adversaries by using a range of standard derogatory terms suggesting lack of
manliness, willful childishness (ie, "whimpering", "crybaby"), or sexual
4VII-C4: Parallel biographical elements. Insofar as I have
been able to determine, both "Ippolito" and "Finnan" commenced their
internet discussion group participation at approximately the same time,
2002 and 2004 respectively; both are retired from technical professions emphasizing computers and data management; both appear to
have retired on disability; both claim residence in the State of New
York; "Ippolito" asserts residence in the town of Waterford, and
"Finnan" (as "FunDoc") is stated to have used an ISP in the area of Albany to post,
Waterford being about 10 miles from Albany and adjacent to the Albany
city limits; both have a history of reported serious health incidents temporarily
limiting their mobility and internet activities; both have provided
similar services to book collectors and series-book enthusiasts, based
largely upon Internet orders and advertising.
4VII-C5: Temperament and social relations. Both characters are
stated to be approximately the
same age, mid-50's as of 2007; both demonstrate an extreme reaction to even mild and polite
disagreement or dispute; both manifest a paranoid suspiciousness of the
motives of others, and are inclined toward a pejorative interpretation
of comments that appear innocent or merely jocular when considered in
the more conventional manner. Both may be well described as
reclusive: "Finnan" is said to have attended at least two conventions, but
evidences no circle of personal or social contacts in the community of
boys' book collectors and enthusiasts (he acknowledges one personal friend,
Jaffee, D.D.S., of Long Island); I can find
no one who has ever met "Ippolito," although one person states that he
has spoken to him over the telephone on several occasions. Based upon my personal experience,
and another person's private correspondence made available to me for my
manifest a characteristic pattern in addressing disagreement,
transitioning from the particular point of dispute to aggressive
hostility and ad hominem attacks on the motives of the other. "Ippolito"
presents himself as more reserved and patient, particularly in his
public postings; "Finnan" moves almost instantly to an
insistently taunting, mocking
tone replete with vulgarities and "street language". Arguably, this mild contrast is not inconsistent with the main
thesis in the sense that The Subject has shown, on Wikipedia and
elsewhere, considerable facility in presenting a degree of distinction
between the characters to preserve their credibility.
Paradoxical responses to Fan Fiction. ous "Tom Swift" short
story briefly linked to his Tom Swift discussion group, circa 2004.
"Finnan": The various "Finnan" aliases,
over and above "Ippolito", have persistently derogated, in strong and
insulting terms, the Tom Swift Lives! fan fiction, of which I am
the author. He has stated: "Tom Swift fan fiction is non-canonical, usually bad, possibly illegal."
// Note: There is no "Tom Swift fan fiction"
available other than my own and two full-length stories about the Sandra
Swift character written by Michael Wolff. // Yet paradoxically, he himself recently added a
reference to fan fiction to the "Hardy Boys" article on Wikipedia, ("The stories have inspired some authors
to create their own Hardy Boys
fan fiction") and the link, "Hardy Detective Agency Fanfiction-
fan site with series information and fan art " — this despite his
categorical proscription of both
types of article content in edit discussions of the two "Tom Swift"
"Ippolito": The "Ippolito" character initially encouraged and praised my own efforts
[see below] and
suggested making it available to other enthusiasts by posting it to the
Internet. He created and
moderated a short-lived website affiliated with his main discussion
group which would have dealt with Tom Swift fan fiction, and which was
introduced by the cover illustration for one of my original stories; and
he permitted an entire fan fiction novel, Sandra Swift and the Lost
Airship, to be serialized in the postings column of the main group, with
consequent discussion. Yet he responded to a new member and enthusiast
who wished to discuss Tom Swift Lives!, as well as various topics
of relevance to the canonical series, brusquely and dismissively
(see VI-B1), aggressively framed his wish to limit fan fiction
discussion in a personal communication to me (see VI-B2), and revoked
the group membership of another individual, a long-time group member and
regular participant, when he persisted in trying to post a review of one
of my stories that he had written for the group
(see VII-E3, below). As a final paradox,
"Ippolito" himself may have written an anonym
Some quotes from "Tom Ippolito" on the Tom
Swift Lives! fan fiction, from his Tom Swift discussion group:
Thus far, the writing is very much in the style of ""Victor
Appleton""....All I can say is ""bravo""....The author does a good job
in his portrayal of Chow....Michael is taking great pains to adhere to
and expand the canon in his story, while the author of the ones on the
towswiftlives web site has opted to essentially rewrite the TSJ series,
using the original stories as the framework. Comparing these two
approaches will make for some interesting discussion and give us a
better feel for what would or wouldn't work for us in a new, official,
TS series....Speaking of this site, the updated ""Deep-Sea
Hydrodome""...is well worth reading.
4VII-C7: A parallel
interest?: Character "Ippolito" — if this is indeed
the "Tom Ippolito" of interest, likely in view of the
familiarly rude tenor of postings by other-named monikers in the same discussion thread
— has spoken of his
involvement with motorcycles:
I have been told, but thus far have been unable to
verify, that character "Finnan" was involved in a serious
accident that endangered his life and health. It may have been the cause of, or
be connected to, the incident related in V-C, above.
From: Tom Ippolito <ippoli...@prodigy.net>
Local: Fri, Aug 11 2006 12:05 pm
motorcycles between cars on interstate
...Anecdotally, my wife
and I participated in the "Rolling Thunder" rally in Washington DC this
past Memorial Day. On the way home we were stuck in a massive traffic
jam... I dropped it into first, put my right blinker on and idled up the
road on the shoulder. Didn't get any nasty looks, and no one tried to
cut us off. Anyway I was thinking that a gathering of some 350,000
bikes (call it ~half a million riders/passengers) should be able to
exercise some "clout." ...Putting all Americans in one "selfish and
independent" bucket is faulty thinking. What's wrong with being
independent? As for myself, and yes I am an American, I wouldn't
hesitate to pass a vehicle that, by rights, should be yielding to faster
moving traffic. Tom
4VII-C7: A specific parallel in phrasing. "Ippolito": "you
spelled it wrong Einstein" ...compared
to: "Finnan": "Hey genius - why don't you
be more careful..."
and "... Hey brainiac, stamps are PRINTED -"
// These taunts have a fairly similar form. The "Ippolito" quote
strikes me as an accidental "giveaway", a blurring of the established
line meant to distinguish the characters stylistically. It is far more
typical of "Finnan" than "Ippolito". //
4VII-C8: Assessment of Dickerson. "Ippolito":
"...Scott is a whimpering, immature, highly manipulative and
disingenuous drama queen." and "...He chose to exacerbate the problem by
making things personal." "Finnan": "...he resorts to whimpering, self-pitying protestations..."
whine and cry about what a poor
'victim' you are and how nobody plays by the rules..." ; "...If you aren't on
Wiki crying about the rules, you're
here crying about the rules." ; "...he is an
emotionally immature person." ; "...a petulant little whining crybaby."
about personal attacks" ; "...merely bootstrapping and disingenuous"
; "...He rejects any opinion against his edits as
VII-D. Chronologies of their internet activities.
The various discussion groups
initiated and moderated by characters "Ippolito" and "Finnan" have a
suggestive chronological relationship, which I here paraphrase from a
private communication I received, merely as an example of the
of the main thesis from the point of view of another person familiar
with the two characters.
'...Tom did have a huge
website of his own at one point, but it vanished just about the time
that Bob started up his. Tom’s group died just as Bob’s group was
started – as if Tom was purposely shutting it down and migrating
everyone over. No one has heard from Tom Ippolito since that point; it’s
as if Tom has just disappeared off the face of the earth, and Bob
doesn’t want to talk about Tom anymore. Nothing comes from Tom anymore;
his newsletter is gone, his website is gone, and his eGroup is gone. Bob
and Tom did both have a website at one point but Bob’s website was
dormant for a long time while Tom’s grew, and Bob’s website was only
revised after Tom stopped his projects. It is all an odd coincidence: it
was either Bob, or Tom, but not both at the same time, and now Tom is
gone...' // Note, however, the
posting by "Tom Ippolito" (VII-C7, above) dated two days after
the discontinuation of the Yahoo! group. I am unaware of any "Ippolito"
internet activity thereafter. //
Some critical dates: 4"BLUEPRINT" begins, as a website, October 1997
4Ippolito Tom Swift group begins, February 2002
4Dickerson begins posting on Ippolito group, January 2004
4Finnan Tom Swift group begins, July 2004
4First mention of TOM SWIFT LIVES! on Ippolito group, November 2004
group started by Ippolito, April 2005
4Dickerson removed from
both Ippolito groups, April 2005
Tom Swift group discontinued, 9 August 2006
4Five-moderator Tom Swift group begins,
20 December 2006
VII-E: Issues involving group moderation and
Both characters have adopted similar attitudes and policies, as
moderators, that have proven controversial. The specifics obviously are not uncommon enough to be strongly
evidentiary: again, I am only highlighting the absence of
inconsistency with the main thesis..
4VII-E1: personal control .
I should have "consulted with the group"
(I don't intend to run
things by committee or polls) ..'.
'... a very frequent poster until [- -]
made such a fuss
about the moderation issue.'... [[
Paraphrase of private correspondence by "Ippolito", August 2004 ]]
NOTE: "Ippolito" also agreed, at the suggestion of others, to poll his
Tom Swift group on the question of whether it should be moderated. The
results favored the negative. This group decision was informally
disregarded and eventually abandoned.
snide remark on the way I run the group. ... Being
friendly doesn't mean bending over and taking it up the ass from anyone
with some axe to grind.'
authors would be highly insulted... and the
1st thing out of their mouths would be
"Well, you let so-and-so post his!" ... the
fact is it is my group and I'll run it as I see fit and as I have been
for almost 3 years.' ... 'already you're complaining and telling me how to
Maybe you don't agree with the way I run things,
that's OK but I'm going to do things
the way I want. That's my perogative'...
'I can do
without your "friendly observations", which I view as hostile and
abusive. You're pissed off because I don't want to do things your
way'...' I don't know who the fuck you think you are but you can take your
threats and stick them right up your ass. I politely tried
to explain to you how I wanted my group to be run and you whine and cry
about it and insult me. Tell you what, if you're so miserable... maybe
the best thing you can do is quit the group. I don't need my balls
busted by some know-it-all with a god complex.'
a PRIVATE LIST, not a public forum. I created it and it is my vision of
it that will guide it
started insulting me for not
IMMEDIATELY changing things to suit you!'
of private correspondence by "Finnan", August 2006; not to SD ]]
...out of place is group members sending me
condescending, arrogant, insulting emails comparing me to Hitler for not
changing everything to suit them immediatly. [[ posted by "Finnan" on
his Tom Swift group, August 2006 ]]
...You piss & moan that you don't like the way I run the list...
[[ posted by "Finnan"
on Newsgroups: alt.books.nancy-drew , 27 November 1999, in
reference to Finnan's Hardy Boys group; see fuller quote below.]
4VII-E2: content relevance. ...Over
the past month we had a string of posts dealing with the pending
cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise, NASA spinoff technology,
educational films dealing with spaceflight and exploration, the Chinese
space program, the upcoming Thunderbirds movie, etc. This is a problem
that crops up periodically and typically results in a drop off in group
membership. As group moderator, I am now screening posts prior to
distribution to prevent this from continuing...
[[ posted by
"Ippolito" on his Tom Swift group, (when?) ]] ...It is
clear from your initial posts to the discussion group that your primary
interest in joining was to discuss and promote the tomswiftlives
website. ...I am compelled to point out that this group was established
to discuss topics related to the 99 published Tom Swift books.
[see VI-B1, above.] ...Keep in mind, the stated
purpose of the [regular "Ippolito"]
group is to discuss topics
related to the published series.[see VI-B2, above] ...This board is
being overwhelmed with posts which have absolutely nothing to do with
Tom Swift.The least anyone can do is put OT or OFF TOPIC in the header
so those of us who aren't interested in these topics can avoid
them...[[ posted by "Finnan" on the Ippolito Tom Swift group, April
2002 ]] ..What's this got to do with Tom Swift?...Highly scientific
discussions about which most of the members have no clue are out of
place here. Posts that have no real
connection to anything Swiftian are Off-Topic and shouldn't be posted.
[[ posted by "Finnan" on his Tom Swift group, 15 August 2006 ]]
4VII-E3: banning members / revoking
have been unceremoniously deleted from the
["Ippolito" Tom Swift
group], despite being one of its most prolific correspondents...[the]
review I sent out last night [re: Tom Swift Lives! fan
fiction] was censored from the list. I sent it no less than three
times... After the second non-reponse, I emailed Tom Ipp ...he didn't
respond to 4 messages sent over the next few days...
forced to speculate that this is an outgrowth of his long feud with
Scott Dickerson... ["Ippolito"]
unceremoniously removed Scott
from the list. I was even more surprised that
["K — "]
had also been removed. After all, he does publish scholarly works on
series books in general and Tom Swift in particular. But years ago, Tom
Ipp complained about his interactions...(describing it something like a
battle for Tom Swift literary supremacy) and I guess that gets you
kicked off the list. ...as I anticipated, I was deleted from the
list this morning.'
[[ paraphrased from private
correspondence made available to me and widely disseminated by its
author, 10 August
that I have banned countless people who were deemed, as he puts it, "a
threat to his ambition to be the online Tom Swift go to guy." ...two
people have ever been banned from the group ...'
[[ by "Ippolito",
paraphrased from private correspondence made available to me, ?? ]]
had little indication until
[then] that Tom
people in droves from his list until yesterday. The only cases i knew
Scott Dickerson...The other instance ...[re
K- -'s membership] ...he informed me
that he had been forcibly removed. ...I was surprised to find he
was removed.' [[ paraphrased from private correspondence
(not to or from the recipient of the paraphrase immediately preceding),
August 2006 ]]
RE "Finnan": ... I'll
be joining other related lists and I'll tell 'em how I got "banned" by
["Finnan"] , and no doubt will find I'm in good company. ...I politely
asked Bob to clarify his reason for banning me. Alas, to no avail.
...There simply was no reason, Bob simply wanted to ban me. [[ posted by
("S — ") on Newsgroups: alt.books.nancy-drew , 27 November 1999,
in reference to "Finnan"'s Hardy Boys group ]] ...The crux of the matter
is that you continue to harass me. You piss & moan that you don't like
the way I run the list yet you bug me about getting back on. I've told
you why you were banned, I told you you'd never get back on... Deal with
it. You're out and you'll stay out. Case closed. ... [[ posted by
"Finnan" on Newsgroups: alt.books.nancy-drew , 27 November 1999,
in response to preceding ]] ...Dickerson, you really are a sick idiot... try joining my TS group and
see how quickly you get
banned! [[ posted by "FWDixon"
on Lindholm Group, 28 September 2006; see VII-B2, above.
On the Lindholm Page on 29 August 2006, "Finnan" described his policy,
excerpted as follows: "...
relationship in even the slimmest way exists to the subject of the group
(i.e. Tom Swift)...I consider it OT and/or spam, will delete it and keep
an eye on the author. If he repeatedly does the same thing, I'll warn
them and put them on moderated status. If they persist, I will delete
them from the group. If they become abusive, I'll ban them from the
group and block them from emailing me (hey, it's happened). ...A flame
or otherwise insulting post is, of course, off topic and entirely
unacceptable and will be deleted and cause the poster to be moderated
until he calms down..." The apparent
inconsistencies between "Finnan's" postings on the subject of
banning may be taken to suggest an emotional, impulsive approach
to the issue as it arises in "real world" situations. The
sequence of actions described here parallels almost perfectly
the actual practices of "Ippolito" as they developed with regard to
blocking of posts and deletions.
VIII: THE SALIENT EVIDENCE:
established a general case for the plausibility of the thesis that character "Ippolito" and
character "Finnan" are in fact one and the same individual, I will now
present the three evidentiary arguments that I regard , taken together, as conclusive in the sense in which this term is used in
this monograph, as stated in its introduction. The three arguments are
presented in order of increasing salience; that is, according to
my assessment of their
VIII-A: The first argument: "Continuity"
public story of "Tom Ippolito" and "Bob Finnan" includes a backstory:
the two were portrayed, and portrayed themselves, as amicable fellow
collectors and enthusiasts who had had an ugly falling out, resulting in
a persistent rivalry and mutual antipathy. // See
Appendix 1 // In one of my two or three direct contacts with
"Finnan," in 2006, he stated to me (paraphrased):
"...I don't know what's
wrong with Tom...He's deranged..." This was in reply to my question
as to the original incitement of Ippolito's attitude toward Finnan,
making specific reference to Ippolito's presumed harassing of Finnan, and of me
(with respect to "Tom Swift Lives!"), in the editing of the "Tom Swift" Wikipedia
article. "Finnan's" reply does not challenge,
with, my assumption that Tom Ippolito was in fact the independent source of
the Wikipedia edits and submissions in question. Yet as described
herein, my subsequent assessment of a
fuller range of evidence suggests that this assumption of an
independent and contentious identity was fallacious
in the sense that the material appears to have originated with "Finnan".
In other words, there is a (possible, and debatable) implication in this
exchange that "Finnan" was himself attempting
to "Ippolito" comments and edits that were in fact his
paradoxically, the Bob Finnan character shows surprising knowledge of
private matters connected to Tom Ippolito and his moderatorship, and an
arresting concern for Tom Ippolito, long after their putative falling out, and
even after "Finnan" has posted remarks like this:
" ...From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2004
...It's very clear that Ippolito
plans to use [his Tom Swift discussion group] to promote his various
commercial TS enterprises and is unfit to be the moderator of the group
(which he didn't even start AFAIN!). I urge you to become active in my
TS group, (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TomSwift) where messages won't
be deleted and the atmosphere won't be so repressive. I've run my Hardy
Boys group for more than 5 years and never had the problems that
Ippolito is causing with his dictorial ways. Bob Finnan "
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004
Tom Ippolito is detroying the old Tom_Swift group
...Clearly Tom I. is seriously mentally
ill and totally out of control. It's a shame he is being permitted
to destroy the group. One by one he is eliminating everyone who he
perceives as a "threat" to him (e.g. anyone who is knowledgable
about Tom Swift.) It is a sad day for Swift fans everywhere. Bob Finnan
June 08, 2006 8:42 AM
...Ever since I became acquainted with Tom
several years ago, I thought he was unbalanced. He used to post
semi-nude pictures of a woman he alleged was his wife on his web site.
// NOTE: I have not verified, and do not
endorse, the substance of this comment. //
I didn't like him then and I like him even less now. He kicked me off
"his" group for no reason. That was particularly galling since I
actively promoted the group on my TS site for a long time. I don't wish
for anything to happen to him but that his karma catches up to him. RWF "
For some months in 2006 the
introductory page to the Finnan group bore the statement:
"For all castoffs and refugees from Tom I's
discussion group". Yet within hours of the demise of the
Ippolito group, the statement was gone, and "Finnan" had had a sudden
and surprising change of heart:
Sent: Wednesday, August
09, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: [TomSwift] Re: Weirder and Weirder
<campbell@...> wrote: "..So I am seriously beginning to think that
Jennifer is Tom Ipp. She certainly reacted like she was. She
was contrived at the beginning to spark discussion of the new
series and is now his mouthpiece. Any thoughts?"
think this topic shouldn't be discussed here. I'm guilty of
bringing it up in the past and have learned my lesson. Let's talk
about Tom Swift, not Tom I. OK? RWF
The change of heart, tone,
and sensitivity came in response to a group member's skepticism, quoted, regarding the following e-mail,
sent to all those who had received the notice cited above
VII-E3; first paraphrase ]]
which was originally promulgated 8 August 2006, and an
subsequent communication to the same group of recipients by me.
Most of you
know that I am a fairly new member to the Tom Swift discussion
group. I discovered Tom Swift with my son when the new series was
released. I stumbled upon this group and was delighted to ceive
emails with an abundance of knowledgeable information.
I did not
join the Tom Swift group to receive emails about people’s personal
problems with someone or to have my email address passed on to
others without my permission, which is what happened.
interested in hearing about anyone’s complaints about the group or
anyone on it. I’ll judge for myself. So please take me off
list! I think that sending a mass email to people to "bring
to the list, by mounting a guerilla action" is
childish and vindictive.
Especially from someone who says that getting himself kicked off
the group was “somewhat intentional”. That’s
not very mature,
especially when you then go and
cry about it
to everyone you can
find an email address for.
states that a former member, Scott, was "... using the list to
call attention to himself". Now he is emailing everyone that
got this email
about his web site. I do not want to receive emails from someone
trying to promote stories
that they wrote, or complaining about
someone, or trying to further
some personal agenda like trying to destroy
a great discussion group because they are mad about something.
I don’t know what really happened here and I don’t care.
What I do
know is you should be ashamed of yourself!
I have emphasized some familiar phrasing and themes. //
To be remarked is this fact: The "Finnan" apology and
admonition respond not only to expressed attitudes toward "Ippolito,"
but also squelched an e-mail group posting that raised the issue of "Ippolito's" use
of public deception through aliases.
Finnan has made a number of references that suggest attention to, and
knowledge of, issues in "Ippolito"'s personal life, even where such
matters have not been disclosed or discussed in any public forum.
4You've been a member 2 days and already
you're complaining and telling me how to run things - no wonder Tom
I. went around the bend! [[ By "Bob Finnan",
paraphrased from a private e-mail to a member of his Tom Swift group, 10
August 2006 ]]
4Jeez, no wonder Ipp popped his cork!
[[ By "FWDixon", 31 August 2006; on his Tom Swift group, replying to
4No wonder Ippolito threw you out of his
group! [[ User:MookiesDad|MookiesDad ]] 11:12, 8 September 2006;
"Tom Swift" Wikipedia article; to Doxmyth (Dickerson)
4No wonder Ipp kicked
you out of his group! [[ By "FWDixon", 27 September 2006; on
Lindholm Group; to Dickerson ]] //see VII-B2,
Solicitude for "Ippolito"
and reference to his
history with Dickerson are most thoroughly elaborated here, from the
Wikipedia "PAIN" page, September 2006:
Pak434: Doxmyth’s game is simple. He markets
any perceived mistreatment, read as any time he doesn’t get his way, to
anyone and everyone he can, trying to play on the sympathies of others
to garner support for his cause, namely promoting his fan fiction web
site and generating discussion about his stories in any way he can. His
alleged victimization is invariably a combination of distortion and
fabrication that is used to defame anyone he deems to be his persecutor.
Doc Simpson: ... Doxmyth recently compared MookiesDad to Hitler
and threatened him because he wasn't allowed to promote his fan fiction
on MookiesDad's Tom Swift Yahoo fan group. Whenever he doesn't get his
way on this he resorts to whimpering, self-pitying protestations of
unfairness, censorship and foul play and seeks to elicit sympathy from
others. (BY doc simpson, ...Pak434: The fact that Doxmyth
"resorts to whimpering, self-pitying protestations of unfairness,
censorship and foul play and seeks to elicit sympathy from others"
whenever he isn't allowed to promote his fan fiction site in various
forums is relevant in that this is exactly what is now happening here.
The fact that Doxmyth made the "Hitler"' remark about MookiesDad in
another forum, MookiesDad's Tom Swift Yahoo fan group, and under another
identity, nbfanc, that he uses to promote his fan fiction, is relevant
because this clash prompted his vendetta against MookiesDad here.
Doxmyth crying about incivility when his victim gets fed up with his
harassment and cyber stalking and becomes angry is pathetic.
He has done
this before with others under various identities, and over the same
topic, and is at it again.
My only dispute with "Tom Ippolito"
as Tom Ippolito
has been the matter of his revocation of my membership in his two Tom Swift
groups in April 2005, which he addressed in VI-B4,
account of this matter was ever posted, by myself or anyone else, in any
public forum or discussion group. It was never mentioned in any way by
"Ippolito" in his group. Any comments by myself that described this
dispute, or which might be taken to be whimpering,
self-pitying protestations of unfairness, censorship and foul play
by which I seek to elicit sympathy from others
because I was not allowed to promote my fan
fiction site in "various forums" were made in private
communications to "Ippolito", recapitulated to two or three others
(again via private e-mails), and were never made available to "Bob
Finnan". Yet, under three pseudonyms, he is clearly making reference to the details of that
situation, his very terms reminiscent of "Ippolito's" — and his rush to
defensiveness and hostility toward an individual whom, putatively, he has barely
interacted with, implies that an ongoing argument (which
"Finnan" was never officially privy to, or involved in) is being
inexplicably extended and continued as if he were in fact the
Weaknesses of the first argument:
argument from the fact of noticeable continuities in the themes and
actions of ostensibly two individuals raises the issue of ordinary
commonalities among persons active in the same milieu. It is not
impossible that "Finnan" made reasonable assumptions of "Ippolito's"
troubled relationship with certain members of the group "Ippolito"
moderated, and indeed these matters are somewhat reviewed in the mass
mailing of 8 August 2006, of which "Finnan" is listed as an addressee.
(1) The first postings on Wikipedia by "MookiesDad"
appeared in June 2006, and the hostile tone
and attitude with respect to Dickerson/Doxmyth was
already evident, and showed no particular alteration after the
cited mailing (and postings to the "Finnan" group thereafter).
(2) Despite the apparent belief indicated above that the author
of the "Hitler" remark was also "nbfanc" and was in fact Dickerson, the
emphasized final sentence of the citation from Wikipedia "PAIN" clearly
draws upon a broader history preceding the "Hitler" exchanges and
the first posting by "nbfanc". In fact, the author of the
August mass mailing described his relationship with "Ippolito" as
cordial prior to the situation of reference:
'...I find that particularly upsetting because Tom and I have been
e-friends for years. You can find my comments in several issues of
Blueprint, even back when it was a web-only publication. Several times
he contacted me for scientific advice when he was preparing an article.
I even purchased NYPL materials which I donated to him for the sake of
Blueprint. In fact, in 2002, when I was within 150 miles, he invited me
to his home, but the timing didn't work out... The strange part of this
whole thing is that I will miss my friendship with Tom Ippolito, whom I
include in this email.' [[
comments paraphrased ]] The
statement by the pseudonymous Pak434, "Doxmyth
crying about incivility when his victim gets fed up with his harassment
and cyber stalking and becomes angry is pathetic. He has done
this before with others under various identities, and over the same
topic, and is at it again. ... ," makes little sense unless
one assumes that "Finnan" is making reference to "Ippolito's" prior-year
conflicts with Dickerson — details to which "Finnan" would seem to have
no ready access, given his ostensible estrangement from "Ippolito."
Nevertheless, the bare possibility of loose wording, mere
assumption, and a degree of reconciliative discussion between the
putative two in the immediate aftermath (within hours) of the
termination of the Ippolito discussion group, can not be conscientiously
dismissed. My assessment of the first argument in and of itself :
plausible, persuasive, supportive, but not conclusive.
VIII-B: The second argument: "A Striking
Character "Finnan", as "himself", has only
very rarely alluded in his public postings to original research
with reference to the Tom Swift series,
including research at the Stratemeyer Archives at the New York Public
Library. Despite the superior proximity of Long Island to New York City,
as compared to Waterford, specific reference by "Finnan" to his own
research with the New York Public Library archival materials is
nonexistent. Indeed, the putative "Ippolito" was moved to mention this fact:
From: Thomas R. Ippolito
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: NYPL research project
...anyone can order something from the NYPL. ...
I agree entirely. I'm surprised Bob Finnan doesn't camp
out in the NYPL. I think he lives in NYC.
In addition to reinforcing the notion that Bob
Finnan lives in the NYC area, a distinction is being asserted
between the research practices of "Ippolito" and "Finnan." It would obviously confer authority on a
posting to make reference to official archival documents, yet in his
many newsgroup postings, I have found only this mention, by "Finnan," of some
"...I guess I'll have to head over to the NYPL
and check the archives.... RWF..." [[ from the Finnan Tom
Swift Discussion Group ]]
Character "Ippolito," by contrast, makes numerous
references to his own researches in the Stratemeyer archival materials.
Few issues of his "Tom Swift fanzine," BLUEPRINT, lacked quotes from
these documents; and others have supplied him with documents from the
NYPL (see quote from the August mass mailing, above). Such research
activity was referenced in postings by "Ippolito" to the group he
...There is no evidence of this whatsoever
in the precis for the story or any accompanying materials. James
Lawrence had nothing whatsoever to do with the plot and did not
contribute any of the details concerning Nestria which we have been
discussing. [[ xxx ]]
... We no longer have to rely on "popular
understanding". Hundreds of pieces of correspondence that passed
between your dad and the Syndicate (principally Harriet Adams) are
archived in the Archives and Manuscripts Division of the NYPL.
I have all of it and have reviewed it extensively...
[[ xxxx ]]
When I first began to participate in what became a
dispute with "MookiesDad" on the discussion page for the "Tom Swift"
Wikipedia article, I presumed the other party was the person I knew as
Thomas R. Ippolito. I felt confirmed in this as he began to make what
seemed to be references to his own research. And then came this
significant exchange, which I quote at length in pertinent part:
Doxmyth: The section
on "predecessors" asserts three things: (1) That Jules Verne wrote
popular invention fiction in the 19th Century; (2) That Luis Senarens
wrote such fiction, in the form of popular boys' series, in America in
the 19th Century; (3) That some titles of the Senarens books, and the
continuation of his Frank Reade stories under the "Jr." rubric,
foreshadowed the Tom Swift series. To substantiate #1, see the Wikipedia
article on Jules Verne. For #'s 2 and 3, please refer to: "Explorers of
The Infinite" by Sam Moskowitz (Meridian Books, 1963; LCCCN#63-8778),
Chapter 7; see also "Tom Swift & Co." by John T. Dizer, Jr., Ph.D.
(McFarland & Co., Inc., 1982; ISBN 0-89950-024-2), in toto but
specifically Chapter 10, Stratemeyer and Science Fiction, which
references Senarens and the Frank Reade stories (and similar boys'
series of the era).
the question of relevance, this will always be somewhat subjective, of
course. In my opinion as an editor, the Tom Swift books and character
are significant in their keeping alive the tradition of "invention
fiction" that originated in the 19th Century. As indicated by the
references to Wozniak and the TASER, this is a phenomenon that gives the
books a certain distinction, as compared to, say, The Rover Boys or
Frank Merriwell (or Harry Potter). The facts may be more aptly
expressed — which is what Wiki editing strives to do — but I would argue
that the section is truthful, noncontroversial, informative, pertinent
to the article — and brief.
the counterargument to these justifications...
the floor to MookiesDad. -Scott Dickerson [[ User:Doxmyth|Doxmyth ]]
02:40, 10 September 2006
"MookiesDad": Fact: You have
presented not one iota of evidence that Edward Stratemeyer, his
Syndicate or any of the ghostwriters hired by the Syndicate to write
Swift books were ever in any way influenced by the predecessors you
cite. Therefore the section is immaterial to the article. ... The body
of the article exists to present the reader with fact, not opinion,
conjecture, speculation or surmise (that oughta cover it) and your
section is all that. Sure Stratemeyer may have been influenced by the
people and things you mention but have you done any research into
whether or not that actually is true? If so please list your citations.
Quoting the venerable John Dizer's speculation does not a fact make.
[[ User:MookiesDad|MookiesDad ]] 02:52, 10 September 2006
[ NOTE: He is an experienced Wikipedia editor; I do
not know his real name. ] ... No, the "venerable"
John Dizer's opinion is an opinion, not a fact. However, it is
appears to be a ''published'' and thus verifiable opinion from John T.
Dizer, Jr., ''Ph.D.'', published by McFarland & Co., which I would say
makes it a reliable source — and that verifiable opinion from a
reliable source is better than MookiesDad's personal opinion that there
is ''no'' connection and the section is "immaterial to the article".
— [[ User:Antaeus Feldspar|Antaeus Feldspar ]] 03:08, 10 September 2006
I have the book in question and nowhere does it say there is a direct
link as Doxmyth seems to imply. Furthmore, as much as I respect John's
work, it was done in an era when finding info on the Syndicate was neigh
on impossible. Now researchers have access to the Stratemeyer archives
in the NYPL
5th Ave branch, were I have spent many a pleasant
day researching the Syndicate's boy stories like Rover Boys, Tom Swift
and Hardy Boys. While I haven't searched
every document of course, I have yet to see any proof that the Syndicate
was influenced by either Verne or Reade. Anyhoooo, I feel very strongly
about including the aforemention "predecessors" section until the writer
can provide some modern citations of the veracity.
[[ User:MookiesDad|MookiesDad ]] 03:26, 10 September 2006
"Antaeus Feldspar": ...I
don't think you understand how this works. If Dizer is a respected
authority on the field, which it sounds like ''no one'' disputes, and
his opinion is that there is a connection worthy of mention, it is not
appropriate for you to surpress any mention of that until you receive
"proof". — [[ User:Antaeus Feldspar|Antaeus Feldspar ]] 03:34, 10
As I mentioned earlier,
scholars are reexamining Mr. Dizer's work in light of the torrent of new
evidence which became available after he wrote his book and new facts
have turned up to dispute some of his suppositions. If "rescpected
authority" write "Black is white and white is red" that simply doesn't
make it so. I have no desire to disparage Mr Dizer's wrok, which was
fine for its time. But later scholars are far more cognizant of the
workings of the Syndicate. And anyway, as I stated earlier - '''I have
John's book and he makes no claim that Verne or Reade had a direct
influence on Tom Swift'''. ANd that, after all, is the point.
[[ User:MookiesDad|MookiesDad ]] 03:43, 10 September 2006
There is no doubt whatever that the above postings
by the pseudonymous "MookiesDad" were written by the same person who
posted the following:
The author of this quote from
Wikipedia identifies himself:
FWDixon. This is the usual moniker used openly by the person
who identifies himself as Robert W. Finnan.
...It's true that I used many reference books in
gathering information for my site but so what? That's why they are
called reference books! I also spent hours at the NY Public Library
poring over data in the Stratemeyer archives. It seems that the fact
that the authors of these books (with whom I've been in contact for many
years) have no problem with my site make no difference... [[ Wikipedia; 12:07, 22
August 2005 ]]
And there is this parallel terminology, part of "Finnan's"
putative conversation with "Ippolito" :
Nov 17 1997, 1:00
From: hardybo...@aol.com (Hardyboy01)
He's at it again
- stealing from other authors. This time it's the
venerable John Dizer
who's the victim of Tom Ippolito's thieving ways. His latest
"Blueprint" has an article about the "Glen Curtis Connection" which
was expounded by Mr. Dizer several years ago. Have you no shame
So far, then, we find character "Finnan" intruding upon character
"Ippolito's" research practices. Was my adversary, as I then assumed,
Tom Ippolito? I was absolutely convinced that it was because of the following
which is this section's main evidence for the thesis:
... I have spent
day researching the Syndicate's boy stories ...
The phrase I have emphasized is a striking one, and
I recognized it immediately as something familiar — the very phrase used in a private
e-mailed communication sent me by Thomas R. Ippolito.
It was at this point — prior to my beginning to consider the strange
notion that Robert W. Finnan might in fact be Thomas R. Ippolito (and
prior to my finding the quote cited above by "FWDixon" from August
2005, n.b.) — that I concluded that this person was indeed, and obviously,
"Tom Ippolito." And thus, given what I have demonstrated
regarding "MookiesDad," "Bob Finnan."
Weaknesses of the second argument:
The familiarity of the
phrase was based upon my clear memory of its use by Ippolito over the
course of my year of e-mailed exchanges with him prior to my being
apprised of the existence of his Tom Swift discussion group.
Unfortunately, I neglected to preserve these exchanges. Memory being
fallible however strong its subjective authority, I cannot produce this
document and, in the final analysis, cannot verify my recollection. For
this reason the second argument, in and of itself, can not be
taken as conclusive in the sense of general public scholarship;
however conclusive I myself may have found it.
The thesis has been
supported. It lacks a stronger form of demonstrative proof.
VIII-C: The third argument: "Noumenes."
It is this, the third argument, that finally provides evidence of
sufficient strength to justify provisional scholarly acceptance of the main thesis
of this monograph.
4VIII-C1: the case of "Wossan Kau"
In the Yahoo! Tom Swift discussion group, I made mention of a
problem, and my mention received a response, as follows. (My post
included language suggesting that the problem noted involved Yahoo!
mechanics, not the group moderator, Tom Ippolito.)
— - In firstname.lastname@example.org, Scodiar@a... wrote:
> Now and then I hear from Swiftizens who have an interest in
> joining our group but are not yet members. One of these good folk
> has told me that he has received the message of acceptance of his
> membership (some days back) but can't seem to access the actual
> discussion posts, either to read or contribute.
The only individual who appears to have had difficulty in joining
the group is a Malaysian visitor to the U.S. who has contacted me
directly. This does not appear to be a Yahoo glitch/problem, as
four new members have joined the group this month without any
difficulty. Offhand, it sounds as if the person does not have a
Thomas R. Ippolito
I then received, immediately, a private e-mail from
"Tom Ippolito" briefly inquiring how I knew of this matter and was
involved in it. My response and explanation, reproduced in pertinent
a pretty casually linked circle of friends here in the LA area who know
of my TS interests (though not of my website connection) and to whom
I've mentioned the pleasures of the TS discussion group (and, of course,
BLUEPRINT!). One of these guys (Ed) has a co-worker (John) who has an
e-mail correspondent in Malaysia (I guess) whose actual name I don't
know, but he calls him "Wissi".
then. In watercooler conversation John mentioned to Ed that Wissi has
asked about some books he had read about "Tom Swift", and wanted to know
whether this was a series available in US bookstores. John (who has no
interest in TS) wondered if the answer was available on the internet, at
which point Ed offered to put him in touch with me by email, as I could
give him some points. Incidentally, this all was a few months back.
some second-hand exchanges, I see I provided John with (a) the info on
the title page of Blueprint, in case Mr. Malaysia was moved to
subscribe; and (b) a few random-samples from the discussion group
postings (mostly those putting me in a flattering light!), as the guy
was interested but was not really clear on the tenor and substance of
the group. (I thought of this as promoting the group, but if this is
contrary to your policy, just let me know.) And I managed to work in a
mention of TSL.
have been again hearing from this guy John Noumen who is playing host to
Wissy during his visit, and they both seem thoroughly confused about
getting the membership thing processed through. Now they BOTH say they
have Yahoo ID's, despite which...and thus my posting. I don't
think either mean any harm, but (like all too many) they participate in
bits and pieces of the Net without really getting the hang of how to
interpret do-this-then-that procedures. So I treat 'em gently [...] I
brought it up as I did because I was thinking of it as a possible Yahoo!
problem, in no way a reflection on you personally...and maybe I'm dumb
here, but I necver have found a straightforward way to send inquiries
directly to "Yahoo central". ...
replied as follows:
I hope you didn't take my email the wrong way. I was just confused
as to how you came to be aware of the problem this fellow was
experiencing. I have to confess that I didn't take the matter very
serious when first contacted (I've had a couple of emails from the guy),
as I assumed it was the result of unfamiliarity with Yahoo Groups and
would work itself out (in truth, there is little I can do other than
approve the request for membership). When he applied for
membership twice (approved on both occassions), I began to suspect that
there may be a problem, but I went back to sleep on the problem when I
saw that four new members have joined the group this month, presumably
without difficulty. The only thing I can suggest is to have Wissi
bypass the usual Yahoo Groups join process and send an email directly
to tom_swift-subscribe@ yahoogroups.com.
I don't know if this will resolve the problem, but it's worth a
shot. Another possibility, which occurs to me as I write, is that I can
"invite" him to join the group by sending him an email that
provides a link that will automatically subscribe him. I've attracted
several members in this fashion. I'll do that as soon as I finish this
for the info.
After a few days the following was posted to the Yahoo! group, giving
Noumenes as the poster's
e-mail address, which I here quote in its entirety.
To the "Tom Swift" Group of Yahoo!,
I am new to this and this is my first posting! But I do see I have
already been made mention, as I am indeed the person of Malaysia who
endured some little difficulty, and should like here to thank Mr.
Ippolito for his patient assistance with me. I beg you excuse my
imperfection of English, as with respect it is hard to hear and
write, although more ease to be reading and speaking, for it is not
to be my language.
I am able to read from "w-w-w" at my work shoppe but can not send you
to directly by "e"-mail; as not allowed and here the "boss" is king!!
Thusfor as I am visiting my corresponding friend in The United States
Of America, I have engaged to join your column and I shall yes read
of what is answered, by his generos access to his own computer.
Although I will state that of himself he does not read of your column.
In my country we do not have "Tom Swift" but I have found same in
shoppe of old books that is esspecial for the language "English" and
in it did find "The Flying Lab" and "The Diving Copter," and which
both bore blue color on back and side. The front of first did have a
picture of hero Tom and his airplane up high over earth, and of
latter, a picture of the red flying saucer under water, which I did
yes much admire. !! + these were read and owned long ago when I was
of late child years, and where are they?, I do not know.
In my viewing of recently, by help in certain printed form as I have
not the membership, I do find your group columns to read and have
enjoy though perhaps not all do I understand. I give salute to you
for these, and wish you to know that it is not only in your country
that it is to be read and ingratiated.
Into addition, I have also found this place site "TOM SWIFT ALIVE"
with thereupon entire stories to be read; which is given (w-w-w.
tomswiftlives. com). Some name titles hereon, I do yes remember from
back side of my two books. Now; I do read of them, and very much
enjoy!! And also art pictures to the side with of same; of which I
can make large to see, is by simple click upon. !!
I ask here, if I may be allowed at your kindness, some certain
questions in my best of English that I can be managed, and do pardon;
.1. Have you known of the "Tom Swift Books" to have been published in
my own language, that of Malay, or perhaps of English only. (We may
also have Francais, although with me it is of lessened degree.) ?
.2. And, I ask if all of those of the "Tom Swift Books" shall be put
on TOM SWIFT ALIVE in time, or only as now this few; as for I do
remember quite some more of name titles upon list, thereon backmore
side of my two books. (+ yes I do appreciate convenience for us to
read there of these old books, for inddeed;; here my country wherein
we can not purchase, but only can read of this place site manner on a
computer!!! +and when the "boss" does not watch!!) ?
.3. And, for most part over some selection as I have by help read in
your column of Yahoo!; I have find few mention of this TOM SWIFT
ALIVE and stories as given thereupon, and now yes I do inquire, if
perhaps it is not what you wish to be speaking of, in your column,
those stories and the art pictures; butfor I find them of quite
excellent in all respect, and it is well deserving of comment, and it
is all I and more of others country, can have for to comment. And
also I may say, you have discuss and comment of many other and divers
things; as "moon" and "disk angle" and another "nuculeaer ion"
for "space rocket" and recent "gas" in such few selecteds I have
read; yet but not of this TOM SWIFT ALIVE butfor a mentioning; and
thus why I so inquire you, with great respect and your indulgents.
(Indeed should I add that the discussions of those science topics are
most worthy and interesting yet beyongd my own understanding;;
thusfor my so saying, is no not of critical intent.) ?
.4. And, also may I inquire as whether this author at TOM SWIFT
ALIVES, who that is, "Victor Appleton ll"; has wrote other such books
not of "Tom Swift" but indeed "Riks Brant" and other such yes; as
such is charactered in one such book of "The Racing Aquodisk" and is
described as a "None Other" suggests different books perhaps of his
own. ? +now I am informed (my thankfuld host!) that there is a Rick
Brand Scientist Adventure of several books many;; thusfor
perhaps "John Blaine" is also this "Victor Applton l l" I do
.5. And, also may I inquire there was, indeed also, some former books
of "Tom Swift" now gone, as indeed my corresponding friend, here, has
opined that he has known of them from even before The World War of
the years 1914 and etc.; and yet what I read is sures much less so
old. But I am only here curious of same. ?
.6. And, also of this tale "The Lost Airship", which I see you have
in chapters, is this one of those "Tom Swift" of 1900-s or of some
other. +though indeed it is most enjoyed, and I do honor; as far as I
have to now so far, read of it. ?
.7. And, also, in TOM SWIFT ALIVE I find much humor of which I do not
recall of my reading in old two books, but perhaps now I am older;
and indeed yes, I do laugh alloud at some antics and replies. (+ in a
bathing club and others such !!) But I am of quite sure that
the "cowboy" who is a cooker, Chow, has much of humor intended which
I indeed do not have grasp; as it is most "American"; and perhaps one
may in general explain this style to me if not an imposition to
.8. And, also and in terminustion, I wish to know how to; and if;
these same stories upon TOM SWIFT ALIVE may be purchased as truly
books, and not indeed of "w-w-w" computer, and also with art pictures
as given. For indeed I would wish to own for books shelf in my here
of Malaysia, as in form of book. ?
Much of MANY questions, butfor I am EXCITED !!
It is unfortunately and indeed of disagreeable that my host here; and
of who's computer I can use; can not provide a better assistance in
this languiage to my benefit; as indeed he has not the time. +in fact
I have had some big quantity of difficulty in the procedure required
for this column to be able to participate which is surely of my own
I do apologies for imperfections of this language and such
impositions as may be emplaced upon those who read,
And do remain your faithful servent;;
Mister;; Wossan Kau
Of Malaysia Batanol.
I responded to this post, as did one other group member.
I was permitted to read this first submission before it was sent and
posted, due to the relationship established, as noted above with respect
to assisting Wossan Kau and his American host with Kau's membership
problem. I was also able to review several nonpublished exchanges. The
following produces in its entirety the second submission to the group. It
was not published.
this is a first Reply from Wossan Kau, and it is hoped that I have done
so correctly and it is acceptable to your column of "Tom Swift" .
yes enjoyed to see my own words and inquiries there, and do hope there
has been none offended.
Scott Dickerson;; you have much been of help and I thank you for the
answers; and now indeed do I grasp three distinct groups of books and
the differing authors. +there are some further details with regarding
the subjects, and I shall with your kind permission impose somewhat
Michael Wolff;; I do appreciate your responsing comment and do honor you
for the highest excellence of this tale which you provide here. As to
this, I will add that I do recall "Sandra" or "Sandy" from my two older
books as by Msr. James Duncan Lawrence (a bad horse ride and a bad date
!! "ahhahhah") and do find her also within Tom Swift Is Alive stories
of "w-w-w". But as to the madame Phillys, I am lessened certain that she
was also found in my older books, and do not find at all in "w-w-w"
stories; and thusfor would be most greatfull if you would explain to me,
most anxious; in indeed a pleasant sentse; to anticipate such
furthermore answers and infomation as others are pleased to provide;
upon those aforesaid inquiries, as do yet remain.
thus Msr Dickerson I shall comment some further on the "legal" topic. I
have understand much of what this is, as concerns owning some certaine
works created, as for it is in "the news" with variable respects. In
Malaysia, as it may interest you to know, the "legal" is indeed
different for cause our history and people and to some degrees the
religion predomine; though yes we did have the experience of colonialism
which provided some law forms. In my country "For to own" is rather
different in the application to law and custom, may I say.
do incur this; that the same subjects with respect to the copyings and
sales of things (DVD,CD, and thus) are now attended to by law in Malay,
and one learns that some have been arrested and suchmore (in "the
news"). Yet the attention is in some degrees very "spread" and not
serious alltogether;; and for, many make money from this activities, for
self and familiy and government tax;; thusfor is it more "said" than
"done" by those who would police.
I ask; shall those who come to Tom Swift Alive to sit and read these
stories by computer and to regard the pictures, be themself subject to
penalty of law, and perhaps some risk? I ask; as I am a foreign visitor
to The U. S. A. and my host, who same is "John", has not known this at
all. Shall some of this column know for me?
occurs: this falsed "Victor Applton l l " shall be subject to some such
penalties and perhaps, one shall hope not, imprisonement for such
to your conveniece and with respect I here give summarize my inquiries
. 1 .
;if there shall be any "Tom Swift" in this Malay language
. 2 .
;if divers humor and joking might be explained (to degrees only)
. 3 .
;if such "TWO" books as remain (or; the titles thereof) shall also be
emplaced at Tom Swift Alives ; thereby to completion
. 4 .
;a large inquiry on the subject, whether discussion and comment respects
the Tom Swift Is Alives "w-w-w" tales, is well comported with this
column, as it is not offered ofttimes herein, yet I confess it is most
what I can read
.;two inquiries preceding here; as to law and penalty
indeed in much gratistude for these many kindly comments and advice; and do
remain your faithful servent
Mister;; Wossan Kau
to The U. S. A.
As already quoted at [ ], the second submission elicited the
following response by private e-mail.
clear from your initial posts to the discussion group that your primary
interest in joining was to discuss and promote the tomswiftlives web
site. While I personally enjoy and support the fan fiction efforts that
two of our members are engaged in, and comment on them from time to
time, I am compelled to point out that this group was established to
discuss topics related to the 99 published Tom Swift books.
Accordingly, overt attempts to use this forum for the sole purpose of
directing people’s attention to the tomswiftlives web site will not be
Swift Discussion Group
This Ippolito response elicited the following reply.
reply I thank you and do apologies for having in such way violated your
column rules and purpose. I did not apprehend that those "w-w-w" tales,
are not indeed considered part of "Tom Swift" as they are of the same
name as those who are. It is regreted that but for the two books I have
read some years formerly, I have not a capacity to acquire and read the
true books as they were in origin; and do believe they are not in book
not indeed grasp that the "Victor Applton l l " that is of the "w-w-w"
is also one of the members who are in your own column; thusfor perhaps I
have ashamed my-self !!
perhaps construed the column as for answering inquiries with respect to
"Tom Swift" ;; and not in whole, for discussin by those already having
may be so bold as to say, in truth I did make some mention of other
subjects (Malay language, girl Phillys, oldest series of Tom, and "The
Lost Airship") and thusfor perhaps my inquiries for "w-w-w" was more in
degrees than as was permitted ;; for this reason did I inquire in my
"Reply" if it was acceptable.
it occured that I thougt some comparing of ownership "legal" might be of
interest in your column; as between our two countries.
say that perhaps my imperfection of language and origin elsewhere in
Malaysia has leaded to some difficulty ("hassel") at all points from
beginning; and it would be best for those not familiar (that is,
my-self) to please remain aside. +as indeed my host John Noumen first
urged !! ; had I but listened, ahhahhah
thusfor withdraw such further inquiry and comment; ; and thank you your
time ; also to help of "Scodar" ; and your others , as "Charlie" and
"Michael" . +best wishes for "Tom Swift" !!
respect your most faithfull serevent
Mister;; Wossan Kau
I believe Kau attempted one further posting with no
mention of "Tom Swift Lives!" but found that his group membership had
been revoked by the moderator with no further explanation or comment. I
maintained some contact with his American host, who used the internet
monicker Noumenes, a form of his name, as indicated above. I received
nothing directed to me privately written by Wossan Kau, nor did Wossan
Kau have any further interaction with Ippolito.
Another group member who maintained contact with Ippolito eventually
mentioned that Ippolito had presumed that I was posting under "Wossan
Kau" as an alias, based upon Ippolito's apparent discovery that we both
used a local Southern California server. (...Scott
Dickerson, who he had a very public argument with and who may have been
doing odd things like signing on with a different name to promote
tomswiftlives... from e-mail cited in pertinent part
above, E2-VIII, circa August 8, 2006. (Note: the author has since
indicated to me by private correspondence that the reference to "a very
public argument" was a mischaracterization of what was in fact a private
matter out of public view.)
Some 15 months after the appearance of the Wossan Kau public posting, the name Wossan Kau appeared again, as a commenter
on the discussion page for the main Tom Swift article on Wikipedia. This
followed some posts of mine, which made intemperate reference to the
activities of a "Mr. I," whom I presumed was involved in deleting a link
to "Tom Swift Lives!" from the Wikipedia article.
all "Tom Swift". I offer apology as I do not wish to aggrieve but
comments not within applied channels on personal negative comments are
deleted. Permit me to say that one should argue facts and not speak
about personalities. This is very bad form. Matters respecting personal
grievance with another are not for this column. Wossan Kau of Malaysia
batanol [[ 19 June 2006 ]]
This edit summary
(available in Edit History for the discussion page)
later appeared in connection with the removal of some of my postings
from the edit discussion page.
Revision as of 17:45, 23 J (undo)
(Diatribe not within rule and purpose of column deleted. Very, very sad.
- Wossan Kau of Malaysia batanol)
discussion page I stated some surprise at the tenor of these comments,
and indicated that I would contact Mr. Kau privately. I immediately was
able to verify that the Wikipedia postings were
and were not made by the Yahoo! Tom Swift discussion group member so identified, despite the
attempt to imitate his peculiarities of expression.
review: (1) A foreign visitor expressing an interest in the subject of
the Ippolito group attempts to gain membership, but finds himself unable
to do so. (2) Moderator Ippolito fails to reply to more than one
offgroup inquiry and request for assistance. (3) The applicant is only
approved after a public mention of the problem; and then with a degree
of suspiciousness expressed to me by Ippolito. (4) After one post was
allowed, the new member's second attempted posting was blocked, and
brought a sharp remonstrance by Ippolito concerning what was taken to
constitute promotion of my website. (5) The visitor, Kau, was removed
from group membership. (6) The name Wossan Kau is subsequently used
fraudulently to criticize and block my own editing participation on
was only one public posting by "Wossan Kau" prior to his false emergence
on Wikipedia — but some behind-the-scenes annoyance with Kau connected to
me myself with regard to matters and exchanges known only to Tom
Ippolito and not publicized — the indicated conclusion is that it was
"Ippolito" himself who engaged in the cited Wikipedia activity,
perhaps in a spirit of mockery. [Compare
to "Jennifer" at VIII-A, above.]
matter of "Wossan Kau" is not the main argument of this section, but
rather a preface to it.
4VIII-C2: the appropriation of a monicker
its appearance on Wikipedia on October 11, 2006, the striking and
unusual name Noumenes had appeared
to public view precisely once, as the e-mail address of the sole
published posting to the Ippolito Yahoo! group by "Wossan Kau"
in late 2004-early 2005. Of note: this public posting does not indicate that "Noumenes" is
the name of a person; it was only in the final private e-mail
to "Tom Ippolito," signed "Wossan Kau," that a "John Noumen" was
mentioned as his American host. Yet on Wikipedia "Noumenes" is
used as a signatory name by an editor.
the case of the "Wikipedia Wossan Kau," I was immediately able to verify
that the "Wikipedia Noumenes" was fraudulent, an unauthorized use
of the moniker applying to "John Noumen," who in fact was not
responsible for any of the Wikipedia edit postings. In other words, this
action evidences (1) a desire to make a further mocking "point" relevant
to the presumption that its target, Scott Dickerson, had himself made
postings (to the Ippolito group) under an alias; (2) namely an alias using
Noumenes as the posting's e-mail moniker; (3) by someone already knowing
that "Noumenes" is a personal name (in actuality, a form of his name,
which could easily be forgotten or overlooked); (4) all derived from one
obscure detail in one sole posting of some months previous — or, as is
more likely, from a series of private e-mail contacts between the
person using the monicker (ie, "Kau") and one other person, Tom Ippolito.
of itself, this evidences, all but conclusively, that the Wikipedia editor
and commentor using the name "Noumenes" is in fact the person known
to the public as Thomas R. Ippolito.
have provided, in Part One, above, a range of evidence demonstrating
that "Wikipedia Noumenes" is also the person known to the public as
Robert W. Finnan.
jointly demonstrate that Thomas R. Ippolito and Robert W. Finnan are
one and the same individual.
there is even stronger evidence.
the outing of the false "Noumenes"
On October 3, 2006, the original and legitimate user of the "Noumenes" moniker
e-mailed two individuals, "S" and "Dr. Hank Heyman". The brief message
was addressed, internally, to Ippolito, asking how back issues of his
BLUEPRINT fanzine might be purchased, to be given as a gift to a
friend — a reference to "Wossan Kau" that would be grasped by anyone
familiar with the relationship between "Kau" and "Noumenes"
(whom Kau had identified as a "John Noumen"). In both
notes the correspondent explained that he had been told that these ("S"
and "Heyman") were
names and e-addresses sometimes used by Tom Ippolito for legitimate
internet business purposes: there was no suggestion of criticism or rebuke.
was no reply from "Dr. Hank Heyman," nor any indication that the e-mail
had been undeliverable. The other recipient, "S", clarified that he was
not himself Tom Ippolito, but would relay the message by Noumenes to Mr.
Ippolito at the e-mail address he had for him. In a subsequent exchange,
Noumenes apologized for his fallacious assumption, thanked "S", and
asked if the message had indeed been passed along, as Noumenes had
received no response from Ippolito. "S" confirmed that it had
been relayed, apparently successfully
though with no comment back to "S".
posts by the fraudulent "Noumenes" began appearing on October 11,
2006 — days after the contact between the legitimate Noumenes and an
individual who passed along the message from Noumenes to Tom
Ippolito — who has expressed the belief that "Noumenes" is an alias used
by Scott Dickerson.
was no reason whatsoever for my Wikipedia nemesis, known to be "Bob
Finnan", to commence posting under this monicker at this time (months
after the bogus appearance on Wikipedia of "Wossan Kau")
— unless this
person is the same person who had just received a message from
"Noumenes" which mentioned the intended addressee's public name and which might well have
been taken as a case of "taunting" by Dickerson.
That person was Tom Ippolito;
who thus was also
and thus Bob Finnan as well.
With the support of the other evidence herein
presented, I regard
this final demonstration as conclusive. It is for scholars to now
review, consider, and if possible refute the argument and its evidence.
The thesis of this monograph is proven. The Mysterious Other is
"Thomas R. Ippolito" and "Robert W. Finnan," the perpetrator of a hoax,
whose true legal name and identity is unknown.
I. Words of interest and possible relevance
Eric S. Raymond
Dr. Hank Heyman
Robert W. Milby, Sr.
Meredith Jaffee, DDS
Alliance / The National Vanguard
Sims ("Jerry Abbot")
Michael Anthony Ippolito / Anthony M.
II. Books of interest and possible relevance
4 The Night
Listener by Armistead Maupin (Harper paperback, for "The
Electrifying Story Behind 'The Night Listener'," article by Tad Friend)
Autism and Asperger Syndrome (Uta Frith, Editor; Cambridge
The Psychopath (James Blair, Derek Mitchell, and Katrina Blair;
Borderline Personality Disorder Demystified (Robert O. Friedel,
MD; Marlowe and Co.)
The Sociopath Next Door (Martha Stout, Ph.D.; Broadway books)
Surviving Schizophrenia (E. Fuller Torrey, M.D.; Quill)
Anyone You Want Me To Be (John Douglas with Stephen Singular;
Pocket Star / Simon & Schuster)
III. Two comments found by search engine on the Internet
By quoting these comments I do not intend to imply
that the authors support or endorse the thesis of this monograph. I have
no information on the context or the validity of the content.
4III-A. RE: "Bob Finnan"
An Open and Public
Letter to Hardy Boys Fans
Mon Jul 18, 2005
Once again, it appears that I have been the target of an evil campaign!
Bob Finnan, the webmaster of The Unofficial Hardy Boys Homepage has
effectively removed any mention of my website completely from Wikipedia,
the free, user-driven Internet encyclopedia supposedly dedicated to
freedom of information.
Only months ago, the Hardy Boys article* had been devised by various
informed authors and had a listing of links that, if I remember
correctly, accurately reflected the majority of Hardy Boys resources on
Now, however, Bob Finnan has gained control of the article and, after
completely erasing existing information and replacing it with articles
from his site, has "locked" the article via a dispute with Wikipedia
staff (I assume) -- effectively tying my hands to deal with the matter.
Not only has he included a line that directly emanates from my research
on international translations WITHOUT crediting my website or myself, he
has also removed my website and my and Sal's webzine from the list of
Yes, I believe that I am responsible for the research which spurred the
line, "Hardy Boys books have been issued in over 25 languages, including
Spanish, Dutch, French, German, Sinhala, Japanese, Russian, and
Afrikaans," and thus should receive due credit.
For those not "in the know," Wikipedia is visited by an inordinate
amount (respective to other websites of a similar nature) of traffic
each day -- in other words, it is a goldmine of promotion and
trafficking, a source which Bob Finnan has once again miraculously
gained complete dominion of and is attempting to influence the public on
just exactly what's out there in the Hardy Boys world.
I have posted in the discussion thread for the Hardy Boys Wikipedia
article and will be lodging a formal complaint later in the morning. I
am tired of this continual battle which seems to be one sided -- I would
be more than happy to equally share the limelight with the other three
major Hardy Boys sites.
Rest assured, Bob Finnan, that my efforts to outrank you will henceforth
become twofold. It is not that I am trying to repress visitors to your
site; I am merely FORCED to assume this stance to attempt to keep up
with your efforts at subduing Hardy-Boys.com.
With ill-deserved respect,
Co-Editor, The Bayport Gazette,
4III-B: RE: "Tom Ippolito"
Tom Ippolito finally emailed me and,
after a lengthy discusion, we really didn't get much accomplished. He
apparently is unwilling to admit that he has ever, at any time, borrowed
stuff from my page. He also threatened to sue me for slandering him. I
asked him to, at the very least, apologize for borrowing my text. He
refused. I actually feel sorry for him in a way. Since he did remove the
text he borrowed from my page, I'm willing to let it go at that. As long
as he doesn't borrow any more of my stuff, I think I'll just do my best
to ignore him. People who are unwilling to admit their mistakes just
aren't worth talking to.
IV. Terms defined on Wikipedia
4IV-A: The use of
"A sock puppet is an alternative account used
deceptively. In particular, using two usernames to vote more than once
in a poll or to circumvent Wikipedia policies is forbidden." ...
"Meatpuppet is a Wikipedia term of art meaning one
who edits on behalf of or as proxy for another editor. While Wikipedia
assumes good faith especially for new users, the recruitment of new
editors to Wikipedia for the purpose of influencing a survey, performing
reverts, or otherwise attempting to give the appearance of consensus is
strongly discouraged. A new user who engages in the same behavior as
another user in the same context, and who appears to be editing
Wikipedia solely for that purpose, shall be subject to the remedies
applied to the user whose behavior they are joining. ... Do not recruit
meatpuppets. It is considered highly inappropriate to advertise
Wikipedia articles to your friends, family members, or communities of
people who agree with you, so that they come to Wikipedia and support
your side of a debate. If you feel that a debate is ignoring your voice,
then the appropriate action is to avoid personal attacks, seek comments
and involvement from other Wikipedians, or pursue dispute resolution.
These are well tested processes, designed to avoid the problem of
exchanging bias in one direction for bias in another. ...
Wikipedia has policies and processes to mitigate the disruption caused
by meatpuppetry. For the purposes of dispute resolution, the Arbitration
Committee has ruled that when there is uncertainty whether a party is
one user with sock puppets, or several users acting as meatpuppets, they
may be treated as one entity."
4IV-B: The nature
"Consensus in many debates and discussions is not
based upon number of votes, but upon policy-related points made by
editors." Newcomers are unlikely to understand Wikipedia policies
and practices , or to introduce any evidence that other users have not
already mentioned. In votes or vote-like discussions, new users tend to
be disregarded or given significantly less weight, especially if there
are many of them expressing the same opinion. "
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who
posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an
online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention
of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally
disrupt normal on-topic discussion. ... In academic literature, the
practice was first documented by Judith Donath (1999), who used several
anecdotal examples from various Usenet newsgroups in her discussion.
Donath's paper outlines the ambiguity of identity in a disembodied
"virtual community". In the physical world there is an inherent unity to
the self, for the body provides a compelling and convenient definition
of identity. The norm is: one body, one identity. ... The virtual world
is different. It is composed of information rather than matter. Donath
provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on
the confusion between physical and epistemic community."
"Trolling is a game about identity deception,
albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players.
The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the
group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they
are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both
distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a
troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the
former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity
cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's
enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed
by the group."
"Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can
disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and
damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in
a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of
deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly
rejected as trollings."
"The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a
post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate
contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often
erroneously used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by
argument fallacy ad hominem. ... Frequently, someone who has been
labelled a troll by a group may seek to redeem their reputation by
discrediting their opponents, for example by claiming that other members
of the group are closed-minded, conspirators, or trolls themselves."
self-opposing puppets and trolling
"A concern troll is a pseudonym created by a
user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's
sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted
to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions
or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed
'concerns'. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the
Trolling, as specific to Wikipedia participation
"Trolling refers to deliberate and intentional attempts to disrupt the
usability of Wikipedia for its editors, administrators, developers, and
other people who work to create content for and help run Wikipedia.
Trolling is deliberate violation of the implicit rules of Internet
social spaces. It necessarily involves a value judgment made by one user
about the value of another's contribution. (Because of this it is
considered not to be any more useful than the judgment 'I don't agree
with you' by many users, who prefer to focus on behaviors instead of on
presumed intent.) ... The basic mindset of a troll is that they are far
more interested in how others react to their edits than in the usual
concerns of Wikipedians: accuracy, veracity, comprehensiveness, and
Vandalism, as defined on Wikipedia
"Trolling is not necessarily
the same as vandalism (although vandalism may be used to troll). A
vandal may just enjoy defacing a webpage, insulting random users, or
spreading some personal views in an inappropriate way. ... A troll
deliberately exploits tendencies of human nature or of an online
community to upset people. ... [Trolls may] repeatedly undo the “vandalism” of
Content disputes are not vandalism. Wikipedia defines vandalism very
carefully to exclude good-faith contributions. Accusing other editors of
vandalism is uncivil unless there is genuine vandalism, that is, a
deliberate attempt to degrade the encyclopaedia, not a simple difference
of opinion. There are numerous dispute resolution processes and there is
no deadline to meet ...
Forms of inappropriate Wikipedia editing
"The nature of trolls is to slip from any
definition intended to constrain their actions and to find new and
innovative ways to be aggravating. What follows are some comments that
point generally in the direction of what a troll is and what trolls do.
... Trolling is a deliberate, bad faith attempt to
disrupt the editing of Wikipedia. Ignorance is not trolling. Genuine
dissent is not trolling. Biased editing, even if defended aggressively,
is in itself not trolling. By themselves, misguided nominations, votes,
and proposed policy are not trolling. They are only trolling when they
are motivated by a program of malice rather than ignorance or bias. This
requires a judgment of the personal motivation for another's action.
Such a judgment can never be made with anything approaching certainty.
This fact should always be kept in mind when one is tempted to label
someone a troll. ... "
Edit warring: "The archetypal example of trolling is the
deliberately inflammatory edit or post — saying something controversial
specifically to cause a flame war. Inflammatory edits usually come from
users who have a minority or controversial opinion and who sincerely
believe that this view is inadequately represented by Wikipedia; trolls,
however, will generally not seek consensus but will instead insist on a
position without any regard for compromise. ...
Not all edit war trolls will choose subject matter
that is obviously controversial. The defining characteristic of a troll
in this case is not the content of the edit, but the behavior in
discussing the edit, and the refusal to consider evidence and citations
or to accept consensus or compromise."
Misuse of process: "Deliberate misuse of processes is a favourite troll
game. Examples include ...giving
repeated vandalism warnings to innocent users. When we say that
something is 'obvious' or 'baseless', we mean that anyone acting in good
faith would agree with that characteristic. ... Characterizing someone as a troll who simply disagrees with you can
cause disputes which can be very damaging both to Wikipedia and to your
Pestering: "Such people are best avoided, as they can become
VERY offensive if confronted! ...In extreme cases, this can be a method of trolling, and it is not
inappropriate to ask someone to leave you alone once you have made a
reasonable attempt to answer their questions."
Deleting, with the complaint that they did not
discuss their edits first: "There is no rule on Wikipedia that
someone has to get permission from you before they put cited information
in an article. Such a rule would clearly contradict WP:BOLD. There is
guidance from ArbCom that removal of statements that are pertinent,
sourced reliably, and written in a neutral style constitutes
Creative trolling: "The nature of trolling is to be disruptive, and one
of the most disruptive things that can be done is to find new ways to
cause trouble that are not quite against the rules. No matter how great
your definition of trolling may be, a dedicated troll will find
something you have not thought of yet. ... This, then, is something of a catch-all category —
if a user is being continually disruptive, and no amount of politeness,
consensus, mediation, or anything else is reining them in, they are
trolling. When a user, in a conflict of any sort, insists on the letter
of a rule while grossly violating its spirit, this is often a sign of
V. Pseudonyms and
A Coincidence of Names?
As disclosed by search engine, an "Anthony
Michael Ippolito" ("Tony Ippolito") was a frequent newsgroup contributor
in the early 2000's. His angry, reactive, and abusive style is similar
to that of The Subject illustrated in this monograph. The following also
indicates a common point of biography (my emphasis added):
I am disabled! "
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:53:41 GMT
Local: Mon, Dec 11 2000 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: Regarding Lyle B. Harwood
"Anthony M. Ippolito" <amippol...@viperlink.net>
wrote:> "This person Harwood, aka Jammersix, is an ass. this is what he
sends to me.
On one such newsgroup there was a mention
of "Tom Ippolito, Usenet System Administrator, AT&T Services Inc." Another comment on "Tom Ippolito" as newsgroup
just posted the same piece he claimed was
the charter here in another group. Since charters only apply to one
group, at least one of these post is in error, and in the worst case, a
Dec 13 2000, 3:21 pmNewsgroups:
From: "Lyle B. Harwood"
Date: 13 Dec 2000 22:21:22 GMT
...Haven't seen a charter here.Tom Ippolito,
whoever that is,
[My emphasis added. The followup:]
For your info: Tom Ippolito was on 08/09/99 the
newsgroups system administrator for prodigy communication corp, when he
questioned a post of mine and then I asked for the Charter and he sent
it to me. RHall
Anthony M. Ippolito was a frequent poster to this
A search shows a "Michael A. Ippolito" living in
Waterford, New York, putative home of "Tom Ippolito." The given age
range is the same as that indicated by "Tom Ippolito" (in private
correspondence to me). Internet search results refer to a "Thomas R.
Ippolito", resident of Waterford, and indicate a birthdate. I have not
verified the dates of residence. The two Ippolitos have different
An "Anthony M. Ippolito" is shown as having had, at
some time, a residence in Orchard Park, New York. One of the telephone
numbers provided also indicates another person at the same address with
the last name "Ippolito". Initials are given which are not the same.
List of Monickers
I have identified the following as acknowledged or
probable internet monickers used by The Subject. Many list "fwdixon" or
"fwdi" in the return e-address. As always with respect to this
monograph, these appended assertions are disputable.
Warning: inquirers should have virus-protect on. I do not endorse the website
purporting to talk about "Tom Shelly" and his background; it may be
posted by The Subject himself to collect data on inquirers.
VOLTRONICUS (note: Google Groups profile gives email addres as
(note: identity confirmed by his posting on
rec.collecting.coins, July 13, 2009)
SHELLY [TOM FALATER]
HARDYBOYS10 (note: The Subject presents himself as an 11-year old
girl who has "written and directed 3 plays"; at
Further evidence by The Subject after monograph completion
Wikipedia activity confirmed: The author of this monograph posted the following
to a thread on Rec.Collecting.Coins July 12, 2009.
>> For a longstanding
tribute to Bob F., RWF, FWDixon et al:
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coinsFrom: "Bob F."
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:19:02 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 13 2009 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: Can I get a lil ethics here?
The "author" of that page is a little
scumbag named Scott Dickerson.
He's obsessed with me since I got links to his site taken off Wikipedia.
This indicates that one part of the analysis of the
above evidence, supporting the main thesis of this monograph, is correct
and confirmed: Despite his contemporaneous denial, the Subject was indeed behind the Wikipedia
controversy, which involved postings by various pseudonyms not
acknowledging that they were in fact the same person, The Subject.
"FWDixon" expressly stated that he did not edit under other
instance of parallel terminology:
Posted to rec.collecting.books, December
29th 06, 06:24 PM:
Web Results 1 - 10 of
about 99,000 for bud webster drama queen.
Emphasis added. See use at VI-B4; circa 4-25-05.
a Long Island location for the Ippolitos?
Permalink Reply by Kim Ippolito on December 11,
2009 at 4:59pm
Is there any room left for
2 people, coming from out east long island on the bus? Thanks, Kim
"Tom Ippolito" has stated that his wife's name is
Kim. Search engines indicate that this name is very uncommon.
A Long Island connection for the Ippolitos may tie
in to the email posting location of "Finnan". This "Kim Ippolito" states
her affiliation with a conservative group called Resist Net. On a
different site, a "Kim Ippolito" seeks a discussion group for those
interested in Newt Gingrich. These interests comport well with the
expressed views of The Subject.
A "Kim Ippolito" now gives her place of residence
as Yaphank, New York. However, a Kimberlynne Ippolito is listed at the
same address and phone number as Thomas Ippolito, in Waterford.
"MookiesDad" identity confirmed.
Note of thanks on the opening page
of BobFinnan.com (3-24-2016):
A special nod to my
wonderful pets past & present: Spunky, Gus, Casey, Zeb, Kitty, Manny,
Mookie, Wiggles, Lucky & Booboo
Note "MookiesDad" Wikipedia editor and statement denying
editing under other names.
A "Jennifer" has been listed at the same address as
Thomas Ippolito and is apparently his daughter. She may have written the
"Jennifer" email, above.
"Thomas G. Ippolito".
A "Thomas G. Ippolito" is sometimes listed as a
resident at the given address.
Reiterating a specific parallelism.
...Whenever he doesn't get his way on this
he resorts to whimpering, self-pitying
protestations of unfairness, censorship and foul play and seeks to
elicit sympathy from others. (BY doc simpson, ...Pak434: The fact that Doxmyth
"resorts to whimpering, self-pitying protestations of unfairness,
censorship and foul play and seeks to elicit sympathy from others"
whenever he isn't allowed to promote his fan fiction site in various
forums is relevant in that this is exactly what is now happening here....
Doxmyth crying about incivility when his victim gets fed up with his
harassment and cyber stalking and becomes angry is pathetic.
He has done
this before with others under various identities, and over the same
topic, and is at it again.
is a whimpering, immature, highly manipulative and
disingenuous drama queen.